What can I do to stop this?

[HoodRat]

I once had two friends who were late to raid because they didn't want to leave early from an A3 group in df. They didn't want to leave because of the 30 minute penalty, but the group there was 6/8 premade and were purposely wiping to keep them there because one of them told the group to hurry because they had to get to raid. So according to Winsock, my friends were the guilty party because they would have gotten a 30 minute penalty for leaving. That is what I am understanding here. And since my friends couldn't kick anyone because it was 2 against 6, I suppose that means SE is perfectly fine with that behavior.

And I suppose I deserved every 30 minute penalty I got for leaving every group where it was blatantly obvious I was carrying everyone because my dps, as tank, would be higher than the healer's and both dps classes' combined.

[KeiranOlive]

I once had two friends who were late to raid because they didn't want to leave early from an A3 group in df. They didn't want to leave because of the 30 minute penalty, but the group there was 6/8 premade and were purposely wiping to keep them there because one of them told the group to hurry because they had to get to raid. So according to Winsock, my friends were the guilty party because they would have gotten a 30 minute penalty for leaving. That is what I am understanding here. And since my friends couldn't kick anyone because it was 2 against 6, I suppose that means SE is perfectly fine with that behavior.

Actually, I believe that would be considered harassment and can be reported.

[Zojha]

Actually, I believe that would be considered harassment and can be reported.

Yep! The hard part is proving they wiped on purpose and not just because they were bad.

Even if they did, though, one can still argue that two wrongs don't make a right. I suppose it's one of those cases where you have to decide whether you rather take a ticket for illegal parking or get late to your meeting because someone else is occupying your reserved spot and you need to make a detour to find another.

[Red_Wolf]

I once had two friends who were late to raid because they didn't want to leave early from an A3 group in df. They didn't want to leave because of the 30 minute penalty, but the group there was 6/8 premade and were purposely wiping to keep them there because one of them told the group to hurry because they had to get to raid. So according to Winsock, my friends were the guilty party because they would have gotten a 30 minute penalty for leaving. That is what I am understanding here. And since my friends couldn't kick anyone because it was 2 against 6, I suppose that means SE is perfectly fine with that behavior.

First off, your friends have poor time management skills and shouldn't keep their static waiting. That was selfish.

Second, your friends dictating to another premade that they need to hurry up would also be a little rude. It's unfair to assume this other premade's skill level was where they could just "hurry up". But who knows, I will give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they asked nicely and gave reasons.

Third, if this other premade was actually wiping to prevent your friends from joining your raid, then no. Obviously no one would resent your friends for leaving a situation where they were being harassed and kept from completing the objective of the instance. However, that is a bold claim. If your friends really managed to upset 6 people to the point where they would ignore their own goals and just troll as long as possible, then I would seriously question how your friends were acting. I'm sure the other premade had better things to do. Or... maybe that was a lie and they were dealing with a progressing premade and put their extra attempts in this premade over your static's agreed upon start time.

[winsock]

I once had two friends who were late to raid because they didn't want to leave early from an A3 group in df. They didn't want to leave because of the 30 minute penalty, but the group there was 6/8 premade and were purposely wiping to keep them there because one of them told the group to hurry because they had to get to raid. So according to Winsock, my friends were the guilty party because they would have gotten a 30 minute penalty for leaving. That is what I am understanding here. And since my friends couldn't kick anyone because it was 2 against 6, I suppose that means SE is perfectly fine with that behavior.

And I suppose I deserved every 30 minute penalty I got for leaving every group where it was blatantly obvious I was carrying everyone because my dps, as tank, would be higher than the healer's and both dps classes' combined.

If possible, I would like convert the 2 examples you gave, into generic scenarios. You dont appear to have been a party member in the first scenario. I was not a party member in the first scenario. In order to ensure a debate focusing on the concepts of these examples, do you think the following example scenarios are built well enough to cover the concepts in your argument?:

You are assigned a group in the duty finder, and initially intend to complete it.
Scenario A: You believe that a duty is going to end in failure, because the group is "intentionally" taking action that promotes failure. (i.e. troll group)
Scenario B: You believe that a duty is going to end in "unintentional" failure, because the group does not have the skill to complete it. (i.e. poorly skilled players)

Your argument: In both scenarios, you would be justified in leaving

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I feel I may have misinterpreted your argument in the above and would like clarification on your reasoning as it would prove somewhat difficult to justify your actions for leaving both without contradicting yourself.

For example:
The main difference between these two scenarios is the intent of the rest of the party members. As such, how can you be justified in leaving 'both'?

You might argue that it is justified to leave in Scenario A because the group is trying to fail, and leaving promotes failure... but then in Scenario B, you would be promoting failure in a group trying to succeed.

You might argue that it is justified to leave in Scenario A because the group is intentionally trying to harm you... but then in Scenario B, you are the only one intentionally harming the group.

Could you elaborate on your reasoning?