What can I do to stop this?

[Zojha]

Actually, I believe that would be considered harassment and can be reported.

Yep! The hard part is proving they wiped on purpose and not just because they were bad.

Even if they did, though, one can still argue that two wrongs don't make a right. I suppose it's one of those cases where you have to decide whether you rather take a ticket for illegal parking or get late to your meeting because someone else is occupying your reserved spot and you need to make a detour to find another.

[Anienai]

Out of curiosity, which dungeons do tanks hate most? Just wondering what I have to look forward to

I like them all.

[Metalwrath]

Out of curiosity, which dungeons do tanks hate most? Just wondering what I have to look forward to

The level 60 dungeons i hate the most.Not because they are difficult because they aren't but it just so annoying with pulling multiple mobs as most of the trash seem to do AOE even more than autoattack.

[Red_Wolf]

I didn't sign a binding agreement that I can't leave my group. That's your own delusional definition of what DF is. Look at the fricken facts and reality.

I am not blind. I see your selfish comments for what they are. I'm sorry if that upsets you. You want to pretend your selfish actions don't affect people and are acceptable. I don't know why. It says a lot about you as a person.

If this kind of behavior was acceptable, then why did SE make a penalty for it? Oh, that's right because ditching your DF group or forcing people back to the bottom of the DF queue is generally frowned upon.

There is no deflection. There is no other side to this argument. Most of the people that signed up for the DF (and have the misfortune of joining you) are willing to keep their word. Labeling their reasons for signing up for the DF as selfish is just nonsense. Is every single achievement/reward in this game considered a selfish task then? Is that what you're really trying to say? So when we game or do any leisurely activity we're just being selfish jerks? No... you can't make that argument. I am not playing this game at the expense of anyone else.

[Red_Wolf]

I once had two friends who were late to raid because they didn't want to leave early from an A3 group in df. They didn't want to leave because of the 30 minute penalty, but the group there was 6/8 premade and were purposely wiping to keep them there because one of them told the group to hurry because they had to get to raid. So according to Winsock, my friends were the guilty party because they would have gotten a 30 minute penalty for leaving. That is what I am understanding here. And since my friends couldn't kick anyone because it was 2 against 6, I suppose that means SE is perfectly fine with that behavior.

First off, your friends have poor time management skills and shouldn't keep their static waiting. That was selfish.

Second, your friends dictating to another premade that they need to hurry up would also be a little rude. It's unfair to assume this other premade's skill level was where they could just "hurry up". But who knows, I will give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they asked nicely and gave reasons.

Third, if this other premade was actually wiping to prevent your friends from joining your raid, then no. Obviously no one would resent your friends for leaving a situation where they were being harassed and kept from completing the objective of the instance. However, that is a bold claim. If your friends really managed to upset 6 people to the point where they would ignore their own goals and just troll as long as possible, then I would seriously question how your friends were acting. I'm sure the other premade had better things to do. Or... maybe that was a lie and they were dealing with a progressing premade and put their extra attempts in this premade over your static's agreed upon start time.

[Ekimmak]

Out of curiosity, which dungeons do tanks hate most? Just wondering what I have to look forward to

I loathe Neverreap. It has so many unpleasant qualities that the whole dungeon just irks me whenever it comes up in the 60 roulette.

It's one of the only times where I'm capable of pulling more adds than my cooldowns + full healer attention can handle.

I can end up with four bee adds on me at once.

All of the bosses have damage immunity mechanics.

Fricking tornados.

Dhamels that are too dangerous to tank with other mobs.

And final boss gets an evasion buff on top of his immunity time, so if I try to fight it out of tank stance, I can end up missing due to losing that hit buff.

I would rather run Aetherochemical research facility than Neverreap.

[Canadane]

Out of curiosity, which dungeons do tanks hate most? Just wondering what I have to look forward to

I don't think there's a single dungeon I'd hate to tank.

[winsock]

I once had two friends who were late to raid because they didn't want to leave early from an A3 group in df. They didn't want to leave because of the 30 minute penalty, but the group there was 6/8 premade and were purposely wiping to keep them there because one of them told the group to hurry because they had to get to raid. So according to Winsock, my friends were the guilty party because they would have gotten a 30 minute penalty for leaving. That is what I am understanding here. And since my friends couldn't kick anyone because it was 2 against 6, I suppose that means SE is perfectly fine with that behavior.

And I suppose I deserved every 30 minute penalty I got for leaving every group where it was blatantly obvious I was carrying everyone because my dps, as tank, would be higher than the healer's and both dps classes' combined.

If possible, I would like convert the 2 examples you gave, into generic scenarios. You dont appear to have been a party member in the first scenario. I was not a party member in the first scenario. In order to ensure a debate focusing on the concepts of these examples, do you think the following example scenarios are built well enough to cover the concepts in your argument?:

You are assigned a group in the duty finder, and initially intend to complete it.
Scenario A: You believe that a duty is going to end in failure, because the group is "intentionally" taking action that promotes failure. (i.e. troll group)
Scenario B: You believe that a duty is going to end in "unintentional" failure, because the group does not have the skill to complete it. (i.e. poorly skilled players)

Your argument: In both scenarios, you would be justified in leaving

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I feel I may have misinterpreted your argument in the above and would like clarification on your reasoning as it would prove somewhat difficult to justify your actions for leaving both without contradicting yourself.

For example:
The main difference between these two scenarios is the intent of the rest of the party members. As such, how can you be justified in leaving 'both'?

You might argue that it is justified to leave in Scenario A because the group is trying to fail, and leaving promotes failure... but then in Scenario B, you would be promoting failure in a group trying to succeed.

You might argue that it is justified to leave in Scenario A because the group is intentionally trying to harm you... but then in Scenario B, you are the only one intentionally harming the group.

Could you elaborate on your reasoning?

[MahoSenshi]

I loathe Neverreap.

Aren't you supposed to do exactly that? I mean, grab all the mobs up to the next whirlwind/water barrier and nuke'em?
Bees are only dangerous if party dps is at the very bottom AND dps players don't prioritize killing them.
I actually like Neverrreap more than a ACRF or Fractal - most of the time its faster.

[KeiranOlive]

The problem with deciding whether leaving a group is justified or not is because in this game the 30 minute penalty is automatic. You leave a full party and you get the penalty. The only way to possibly get around that is talking to a GM and I doubt they would have the time or the manpower to talk to the many people who leave a party and determine whether it was justified or not. Even if they added a pop-up menu where you had to give a reason for your decision to leave, it would be really easy to lie about it.

In the case of harassment, all one can do is leave and report them. Some people will kick a party member first in order to leave without penalty, but that counts as abuse of the vote kick feature and can also incur a penalty if you are reported.

On the other hand, if you're stuck in a group that cannot clear content because of a lack of skill, then there is the option to vote abandon. Other than that, there really aren't many other ways to avoid the penalty (at least that SE approves of).