What can I do to stop this?

[Red_Wolf]

But yea, actions speak louder than words. I wonder how your actions speak. The action of judging someone without even bothering to fully understand what they're saying. The action of lying and slandering someone based on ignorance and bias.

Imagine you agreed to meet your friends downtown. You agreed to pick them up and drive them. The day gets closer and the majority of your friends pick a place to go. You arrive to pick them up, they get into the car, and you head downtown. They in turn say we picked "Hooters" because it's delightfully tacky. Instead of giving them the decency of a reply... you stop the car, kick them out, and speed off. The night is cancelled. Your friends are hungry and have no way to get home.

Yes I judge you. You agree to help people and turn your back on them when it inconveniences you. There's no arguing your way out of that.

[Jpec07]

Something isn't a straw man if people are actually saying it. In your second post you literally said that if someone can't accept your incorrect definition of a roulette, that they should not queue. Later on you said that people should enter roulette with the purpose of helping people and if they don't they might as well not queue. You are literally telling people how to play the game according to your ideals and still cry straw man when your crap gets called out. You are a joke.

You know what, you're right. My upbringing as a white Anglo-Saxon Protestant does give me a bit of a moral god complex, and it's a habitual for me to impose my ideals and morals on others (I know I annoyed the hell out of my high school friends with that crap). I like to think I've gotten better about it through the years, but it still creeps up on me when I least expect it--so thank you for prompting me to check myself.

I will stand by my statement, though: there is an enormous difference between saying "you should do this because this" and saying "do this because I said so." One defines the ought, the other is an order. It's fine to say what someone else had ought to do. That's basically the purpose of this entire forum. Everyone says what tanks ought to do in terms of gear, in terms of playstyle, etc., and it's the core of all of our discussion. But as you maintain, I agree that it is not okay to boss people around. I'm going to go ahead and edit notes into any post in this thread where my phrasing implied necessity, rather than suggested behavior.

[HoodRat]

Your friends are hungry and have no way to get home.

And then they magically teleport home half an hour before the person who drove off gets there because that's what it's like when you leave a dungeon after someone else already has. Or someone randomly throws open their car door to let them in and continue on with the night shortly after they are kicked out of the first car. Your analogy is terrible for leaving a dungeon in df.

You agree to help people and turn your back on them when it inconveniences you. There's no arguing your way out of that.

I don't remember signing a contract stating that every time I use df, I'm there to help/carry people.

[Red_Wolf]

I don't remember signing a contract stating that every time I use df, I'm there to help/carry people.

Then you don't understand multiplayer gaming.

[Lyth]

This discussion became quite philosophical, quite fast. It's simpler than you'd think.

We're tanks. Played well, we have the single biggest impact on group performance. 'Good' groups and 'bad' groups aside, some of us carry so hard that it doesn't really make a difference - we're always out faster than the average "optimal" group. The biggest time saver is skilled play, not waiting for the moon and the stars to align to get your "quick" clear. The only way to get there is to consistently throw yourself into situations where things aren't optimal: "impossible" in fact.

The other reason for time delays is that a lot of tanks just talk too much. There's very little that you can't effectively communicate to your teammates either physically through positioning, or by waymarks.

[winsock]

Or you could just get off your high horse and stop telling other people how to play the game and use their time. That would also stop the cycle. And, that's also what I've been saying this entire time.

I will use your own terrible logic against you since that is what you seem to live by:
You telling me to stop calling you out for leaving is telling me how to use my time.
This makes you a hypocrit.
Therefore, I am justified to tell you how to use your time.

^ if you consider this logic bad (it is bad), your justification for abandoning your duty finder parties is also bad

[Clansman2016]

Ok, I'll be honest that I didn't read every post here, but I do have one question. If there are dungeons that you really dislike, why not just queue for individual ones that you do like? Outside the daily bonus, is there a reason to use the roulette? I admit I'm still very new to the game, so I am legitimately curious.

[Ragology]

Ok, I'll be honest that I didn't read every post here, but I do have one question. If there are dungeons that you really dislike, why not just queue for individual ones that you do like? Outside the daily bonus, is there a reason to use the roulette? I admit I'm still very new to the game, so I am legitimately curious.

People may use it again to farm the "adventurer in need" bonus for the rewards ( since those don't have a daily limit.)

[Clansman2016]

People may use it again to farm the "adventurer in need" bonus for the rewards ( since those don't have a daily limit.)

Ah ok, thanks for the answer

[Brian_]

I will use your own terrible logic against you since that is what you seem to live by:
You telling me to stop calling you out for leaving is telling me how to use my time.
This makes you a hypocrit.
Therefore, I am justified to tell you how to use your time.

^ if you consider this logic bad (it is bad), your justification for abandoning your duty finder parties is also bad

This has gotten quite pathetic. I'll recap for you since you've resorted to such stupidity.

Tank: I don't want to do this roulette dungeon for whatever reason.

Your response:

If you dont want to do dungeons in the roulette, dont use the roulette.

In short, when you queue roulette, you consent to being available for any possible duty within that roulette.

Me: You don't get to lump your definition of how to use the roulette on someone else. You don't get to tell someone else how to play the game or make up rules they have to live by which go beyond the existing system.

You: I get to decide what you can and can't do and what is right and wrong. You're a selfish child.

The tank was just doing what they wanted to do. You are the one that clearly started this mess of finger-pointing, blaming, and shaming, but when it comes back around to slap you in the face you cry foul. The trademark of a self-righteous hypocrite.