Would you like an in-game parser?

[Reisui]

But my question remains. For performances as bad as the ones you're describing do you honestly need a parser to recognise them?

I don't think it's about just recognizing them, but as explaining to the "bad" player that he lacks. Some sort of a proof.
As this is feedback the player could take with him.

[KonOkami]

I don't think it's about just recognizing them, but as explaining to the "bad" player that he lacks. Some sort of a proof.
As this is feedback the player could take with him.

Yes, but that can be achieved with a personal parser too. Everyone will inevitably start hearing left and right about the numbers everyone is hitting so they'll have a good idea of what the number is that they're supposed to reach. hell ,we even know these numbers now that parsers are "illegal".

[Reisui]

Yes, but that can be achieved with a personal parser too. Everyone will inevitably start hearing left and right about the numbers everyone is hitting so they'll have a good idea of what the number is that they're supposed to reach. hell ,we even know these numbers now that parsers are "illegal".

True, a personal parser is a good step and exchanging numbers with friends will give you a global view on what the required dps is. But, what if he just doesn't care, you still can't give him a "valid" reason that he was bad. (Not using CD or doing the rotation correctly can be prove tho, but require you to pay attention to him even more)

Like I mentioned in a post earlier, that group-parser should be an option for the pre-made groups then (or you have a duplicate DF, one where parser is allowed and one not, but this is wishful thinking)

I know I'll probably will be called out, and depending on how they will tell me I was bad, I'll be hurt or not. But I will learn of it and be open to suggestions.

[KonOkami]

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Even with a personal parser the information will be out there and whoever wants to improve will have the tools to do so, easier than he/she can now. All they have to do is ask around or look up guides which will undoubtedly include that if it's implemented. What a group parser does is not tell you how you are doing but tell everyone how you are doing. And the ones that do so badly that they're nowhere near "Average" play can be spotted and singled out in casual content easily where you're much more relaxed than Ex/Savage that requires a different kind of focus. Group parsing in that content will only help in highlighting those people that perform slightly worse than they could.
Again, I'm not saying all instances of group parsing is bad, on the contrary it's a very useful tool, but that it should be implemented under a set of specific conditions like premade groups.

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Yeah, but if they have the personal parser and still don't care what is gonna magically change their mind and they'll start to care if that's a group parse? They already know their performance is shit and just wanna leech from you. A group parse won't change that. It will just justify kicking them from the party for those that feel bad to do so without something concrete(and they should be kicked with or without parser). Again, not talking about the people putting an effort, trying advise given to them and still not attaining "godlike" performances, talking about those people with horrible performance that show no indication of wanting to better it to at least average.
Also if you read my earlier posts our suggestion is exactly the same. Optional parser in premades(+hideable personal parser everywhere imo)

[Reisui]

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I've been through your previous posts, and indeed this seems the most fair way of handling.
Let's hope the ones against will warm to this idea, and hope that SE implements it some day