Would you like an in-game parser?

[DayHealer]

Except the time and effort spent in blaming others has historically been higher when the facts of the matter are not shared and self-evident? Group-wide parsers literally reduce the finger-pointing

Citation needed.
Also believe me, one time parsers become available in this game, the blame shaming and kicking out from groups will rise astronomically.

and being unable to tell them anything or even kick them in fear of being reported and warned/banned is kind of infuriating.

Like clockwork.

[Mosha]

Citation needed.
Also believe me, one time parsers become available in this game, the blame shaming and kicking out from groups will rise astronomically.

Already happens lmao just with more gaslighting.

[Taliriah]

It wouldn't make the game more fun, and it would make people more shitty.

[Kaurhz]

It wouldn't make the game more fun, and it would make people more shitty.

Potentially. But then the ToS would still apply regardless, so those that would use it as an outlet to be an even worse individual certainly wouldn't be around long.

Anything that would occur as a result of parsing being made official already does happen courtesy of third-party parsing. The only difference is that if they were to do it in-house and native to the game then they themselves would be able to moderate it, and it would give a basis for console players, and players that don't engage in third-party utilities to know how they are doing.

[DPZ2]

Potentially. But then the ToS would still apply regardless, so those that would use it as an outlet to be an even worse individual certainly wouldn't be around long.

So, do you think a permanent ban for players who quote or reference an Official Parser in any chat or messages would be ok?

[Stormpeaks]

So, do you think a permanent ban for players who quote or reference an Official Parser in any chat or messages would be ok?

Why the hell would you get a permanent ban for telling someone they are underperforming ?

[Mosha]

So, do you think a permanent ban for players who quote or reference an Official Parser in any chat or messages would be ok?

sure if they went "GREY PARSER LMAO [FFLOGS LINK] SLUR SLUR SLUR"
I'm being hyperbolic but I think most people wouldn't be cruel to someone just for underperforming in terms of DPS. You tend to get a more toxic attitude when someone constantly fucks up the same mech in a reclear party and then is shitty when called out on it.

[Kaurhz]

So, do you think a permanent ban for players who quote or reference an Official Parser in any chat or messages would be ok?

... It was in reference to using an official and/or endorsed parser as a means of harassing other players. Since players are always sanctioned first and foremost for harassment.

So yes, if you are using it as an outlet to harass then you should be banned - But that depends on how light or flexible your definition is on what constitutes as harassment.

Is it harassment to tell the group that they are not on track for meeting an enrage or DPS check? - Is it harassment to tell another player that they could be doing more? - It's all about how you articulate the message. Encouraging another player to do more is not the same as telling another player "They are utter..... and should uninstall the game", or "Omg, you can't even get blue+ in normal/story content LOL"

There is one thing that players across any spectrum need to understand... Parsing already exists, and it is already present in the game. It is present through third-party, which is arguably already more toxic than if they were to create or endorse something since the developers would then essentially have control over how the data are presented/presented to the players.

[Taliriah]

Potentially. But then the ToS would still apply regardless, so those that would use it as an outlet to be an even worse individual certainly wouldn't be around long.

Anything that would occur as a result of parsing being made official already does happen courtesy of third-party parsing. The only difference is that if they were to do it in-house and native to the game then they themselves would be able to moderate it, and it would give a basis for console players, and players that don't engage in third-party utilities to know how they are doing.

There's plenty of ways to be shitty without breaking the ToS. The ToS can't fix human behavior, but the game can avoid incentivizing bad behavior.
As for third party plugins, there are ways to crack down on that if they really want to.

[Mosha]

As for third party plugins, there are ways to crack down on that if they really want to.

There are, but practically plugins and mods are too entrenched in the community now so if SE tried to outright block them they would prune a good chunk of the user base. it's not just ACT, every group has plugins built for them these days.

I would add since SE chose not to regulate plugins its ironically left ffxiv with the most powerful modding and plugin framework in the MMO genre