Would you like an in-game parser?

[Kaurie]

I've seen a blm new to a12n get kicked for doing 1500 instead of 1800, been harassed because I missed one or two KassAtsu's in a10n while keeping TA on CD and managing my buffs and dots appropriately, and saw a bard being kicked for using mage Ballad to help the low MP healers during a nondps check phase in a11n. It happens. You may not see it, but it happens.

OK, but two of your three examples are not DPS # related, which drives the point home that a parser isn't the cause of people behaving this way. People will kick and be ridiculous with or without a parser.

[Frowny]

^ Depends on the fights. In some DPS is lower due to the boss disappearing. 1500 at i255 may be "meh" on a 3min dummy to see what you cap at... but in a fight where you have to move etc. it isn't low.

I've seen a blm new to a12n get kicked for doing 1500 instead of 1800, been harassed because I missed one or two KassAtsu's in a10n while keeping TA on CD and managing my buffs and dots appropriately, and saw a bard being kicked for using mage Ballad to help the low MP healers during a nondps check phase in a11n. It happens. You may not see it, but it happens.

People are always going to be jerks, period. If they don't have raw numbers they will find another reason. In content where a parser works really well, people know class strengths.

Also, WHY do people against it keep going to an all or nothing!? "Well, people will see my numbers..." Not if it is a personal one. It seems like people clinging to the all or nothing just to make a nuclear armageddon scenario... even tho kicks for low DPS are an extremely small minority as it is. There is a possible compromise (which has been mentioned soooo many times), stop going to absolute doomsday scenarios that are already incredibly rare.

Edit: I too also call bull. 1800 in that fight is on the high end, A10N isn't a DPS check and I've yet to see bards get yelled at for playing songs.... they usually get yelled at TO play them. Even if it is true, these are just people being jerks which is always going to happen. Best thing you can do is correct them or be an adult and ignore them. Unless they offer genuine feedback to help, they're not worth acknowledging or getting upset over.

[Rawrz]

I've seen a blm new to a12n get kicked for doing 1500 instead of 1800, been harassed because I missed one or two KassAtsu's in a10n while keeping TA on CD and managing my buffs and dots appropriately, and saw a bard being kicked for using mage Ballad to help the low MP healers during a nondps check phase in a11n. It happens. You may not see it, but it happens.

Wait a minute... Wait a minute!! Quick someone check every page of this thread and every healer dps one too!! I've heard one just like this before! Something about healers and dpsing too little, when it was clear over 1k dps. Thunda your troll powers blurr the line and it's hurting my eyes. ;-;

[vp_cmc]

However most parsers fail on something like oo the BLM is hitting 1200 and the brd is only hitting 900. But the brd has foe up. So he gets shit on. The Masses don't see the big picture. Only that BRD DPS sucks.

You don't compare BRD with BLM. You compare BRD with other BRDs that you saw in other groups that had similar composition.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

The problem there is that the vast majority of the community won't get better with the addition of a parser. Johnny Chillx isn't going to try to get better as a smn because he sees someone else with higher numbers because it frankly doesn't concern him. I'll say it again, if people want to get better they'll do it on their own, whether it's through experimenting on their own, reading guides, talking with others, etc. Someone doesn't want to do the above for whatever reason? Not gonna care.

On the other hand? The addition of a parser WILL let people be far more toxic than they already are. Want proof? Parsers make everything a competition to see who can do the best numbers. No one will care why a bard is doing less dps than a dragoon, they'll kick the bard regardless because the bard has lower numbers, never mind he's supporting the party with foe's. That ninja doing less dps than the mnk? Nah, forget the ninja's using goad as appropriate and keeping TA on CD, he's still gonna get shot on for not being top deeps.

[KarstenS]

The problem there is that the vast majority of the community won't get better with the addition of a parser.

This is absolutely no issue...

...as long...

... these people don't get the idea to join parties for ex primals or savage as long they have this mind.

But exactly this is the issue: these people are joining ex and savage parties. And the result is more and more frustation on all sides, because they are failing over and over.

- Beat A12S without beating the actual dummy, which pretty much makes your argument invalid.

These people (in the current time) exactly know about their performance and don't need the dummy at all.

The dummies are more for people that don't know how they perform and want a first impression, where they stand.

[WeekendSoja]

If it was a personal Parser. IE showed your DPS /Hate Gain/ Healing per 15 second period.
This would let people tweak how they are playing to be better.

However most parsers fail on something like oo the BLM is hitting 1200 and the brd is only hitting 900. But the brd has foe up. So he gets shit on. The Masses don't see the big picture. Only that BRD DPS sucks.

Also I would want it premade full parties only.

That Bard should get shit on lol. Foe requiem does not drop DPS like the other songs do...

[Galdous]

Honestly a in game parser is a very VERY bad idea. This game is already disadvantaged to the extreme against ps4 users its pathetic. I did a Nidhogg trial run this afternoon and saw 3 dragoons in sync perform the same rotation exactly like the sync dances. All 3 procced dragon of the blood at the same time and all cooldowns. Jumps were also in sync. Anyone with half a brain knows that bots are so rampant 30-40% of pc users use rotation bots as its not really enforced in this game. You think adding parsers is a good idea when half the pc universe is to lazy to play the game themselves and let a freaking rotation perfect bot epeen themselves. If you want a parser then let Ps4 get a automated rotation assistance addon or some sort or do something about these bot abusing players.

[Frowny]

Hackusation

How often have you actually seen this happen? I've only seen bots TP into towns in my.... 2 years or so playing. Also proof to the percentage of players using automated rotations please. Sounds more like an exaggeration as the most people tend to do is macro which... is a disadvantage.

Honestly a in game parser is a very VERY bad idea. This game is already disadvantaged to the extreme against ps4 users its pathetic.

And you realize this would close the gap right? PC users can easily toss a parser on but PS4 can't... I'm seeing a 2+2=5 in that statement.

[CosmicKirby]

Honestly a in game parser is a very VERY bad idea. This game is already disadvantaged to the extreme against ps4 users its pathetic. I did a Nidhogg trial run this afternoon and saw 3 dragoons in sync perform the same rotation exactly like the sync dances. All 3 procced dragon of the blood at the same time and all cooldowns. Jumps were also in sync. Anyone with half a brain knows that bots are so rampant 30-40% of pc users use rotation bots as its not really enforced in this game. You think adding parsers is a good idea when half the pc universe is to lazy to play the game themselves and let a freaking rotation perfect bot epeen themselves. If you want a parser then let Ps4 get a automated rotation assistance addon or some sort or do something about these bot abusing players.

And we faked the moon landing too, right? You can't be serious if you believe that.