Would you like an in-game parser?

[Cnidarian]

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Except that ilvl does not determine how well one can perform. Take the example I used previously in this thread when comparing one person's gear to my own.

Other Person:

SS: 787
Crit: 782
Det: 442
Accuracy: 672

Me:
SS: 1042
Crit: 875
Det: 307
Accuracy: 614

Both of us are BLM, both are of the same ilvl (i221-223). Based purely on stats and not ilvl, one has a higher damage potential than the other.

[Seraphix2407]

But seriously, why should I take your words that I(supposition) play my work bad? afterall I dont know you, never seen you perform MY class, so why should your word matter ? Prove me you can play it better THEN I might listen to you

Just gonna put this here. You don't even do current tier savage. You talk you know there is no need to be better and play good/decent in raids. So I will tell you the SAME, what you told people;
If you can perform better, and know better, then I might listen to you, but you dont have any legit reasons to do so. You talk like you know about current tier progression or the old ones, when they used to be on curren tier, but you don't, so you have no clue what's going on at all! Many pro parsers in this thread countless and endless of times, including myself say; REPORT!! the player who harras you with using a parser.
Many seem to ignore it, and it's kinda getting frustrated in this thread now that many ignore it. Talking about people being toxic and ignorant, yet you don't want to tell a person who could obviously improve in terms of skills and rotation (both mechanics and dps wise). Why would you do that? Seriously, why would you? If you were a good person atleast say the truth. It's sooooooooooo ironic, I have no words. People wants to be good people but they just ''lie'' to people. Now thats ignorant,toxic and just plain stupid.

[MeiUshu]

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but see, you fail to understant that this game was not build around a parser that is something the community wants to check on others (although they say to make sure they do max output when most cant read numbers and put them into context). on a side note I always said that I am pro personal parser if someone wants to improve he can take his numbers and go ask someone and compare, is what a community is about afterall right ?. I cant do savage due to me not comiting to a static I cant I would but I cant, Alas, and no I would not use a parser, there are no needs of it. You are good enough to see if your output is good or bad....your argument to me is mute and non existing NOTHING forces anyone to use any parsers to judge others for yourself by all means..but not to judge others and decide of their life or death based on cold numbers that are often not put into context and analyzed properly.

Me having done savage or not is irrilevant in this conversation of whether I want a parser in the game or not I DO NOT want it because of the immaturity of the people yours included

[Ghishlain]

I think what a some people fail to realize or perhaps it's not really explained very well is a lot of players understand that there's more to damage dealing than "here's your number". The information provided by the DPS measuring tool is just one piece of a larger puzzle and gives the player something measurable to see if they're doing better. The players in question have to understand the fight and know how to do the mechanics of the fight or else their DPS will drop or they wipe the raid. What the measuring tool does give is a measure of how well that player is doing as well as a gauge on how they're improving (or perhaps getting worse) as they progress through the fight and perhaps try different thing to see just how much their number changes (whether good or bad).

Any player making an argument for a DPS measuring tool and using only the number as their argument without considering the rest of the skill sets that makes a player good is doing themselves a disservice and shooting themselves in the foot.

[LadyCeles]

You can compare seeing your dps with others like how first person shooters show there kill death ratio. But would that work in an mmo. Too many sensitive people and too many mean people that wronfully point blame without knowing why. I wont stop saying it. Will work in savage and use fflogs. Can make it an option for SSS but u can just go to website to get that info

[Reynhart]

Wow, lots of things to adress here...

1: Great dps and mechanics
2: Mechanics is fine but dps isnt
3:Not so much dps and no mechanics :P

You forgot "Great DPS but no mechanics.

Denying players that learning instrument just because certain others don't want to learn their jobs

I don't deny it. I just don't want others to force that on me.

It... sounds like you think that skill and parsers are mutually exclusive? Or that a parser has a negative effect on skill?

Absolutely not. It's just that with only a parser and no skill, you'll be bad. With skill and no parser, you'll be good. So, a parser is not mandatory.

People complain that adding in a parser will cause toxicity and will knit pick each other's dps, but why not choose the personal parser option?

Not causing toxicity. Just allowing those toxic people to be more vocal.

I might be raid leader but i wouldnt make a cut without my group wanting it.

Imagine this (Numbers don't accurate, they're here for the sake of making my point) :
You're in a static on Midas Savage with an average DPS of 1000. You know the content by heart, you farm it every week with ease.
One week, your static can't play, so you join a Party Finder to get your loot. But in this party, there are seven uberstuffed uberskilled players who do constantly 1200 DPS.
After two wins, the leader says that you can't stay with them because your DPS is too low and the runs take too long.
Will you go "Ok, it's fair, I'm bad", or "Dude, WTH ?! We won two times, and I farm it every week" ?

You can compare seeing your dps with others like how first person shooters show there kill death ratio.

Is the FPS community really an example to follow ?

[Kaurie]

Absolutely not. It's just that with only a parser and no skill, you'll be bad. With skill and no parser, you'll be good. So, a parser is not mandatory.

Ah that is fair, and I completely agree. That said, a parser can help you improve your skill. It's just a tool.

Imagine this (Numbers don't accurate, they're here for the sake of making my point) :
You're in a static on Midas Savage with an average DPS of 1000. You know the content by heart, you farm it every week with ease.
One week, your static can't play, so you join a Party Finder to get your loot. But in this party, there are seven uberstuffed uberskilled players who do constantly 1200 DPS.
After two wins, the leader says that you can't stay with them because your DPS is too low and the runs take too long.
Will you go "Ok, it's fair, I'm bad", or "Dude, WTH ?! We won two times, and I farm it every week" ?

Personally, I'd probably be miffed and confused, but also acknowledge their right to kick. Then I would join another party and go on about my day. I don't feel that story is an adequate enough reason to not have parsers. I also don't think that would be the norm.

[Seraphix2407]

Wow, lots of things to adress here...
You forgot "Great DPS but no mechanics
Absolutely not. It's just that with only a parser and no skill, you'll be bad. With skill and no parser, you'll be good. So, a parser is not mandatory.

Well if you are bad at mechanics you aren't excactly a good at dps either, mostlikely dead.
Also how can one person know they are good in fight besides SSS? I do agree with you there and parser isnt a miracle tool, far from it, it helps you improve in fights, in terms of dps, heal raiding dmg etc, it's not only numbers, because that' not what a parser is. Yes you can be good without parser and you can be having a parser and have no skill. But that's the thing, we want people to improve

I read this on reddit earlier:
Some people think that just doing mechanics correctly means they are doing their job, these are the same people who argue against parsers in the OF and proceed to be outdamaged by a tank in tanking stance. And we all know this happens quite alot.

Now, it's up to a person if they want to improve or not. But if they decide not to, that's their choice but they can't expect people to drag them in content where dps actually matters. Other day in seph I was PLD tanking it most of the time in the stance and dropped it off in last phase and I got told I did more than 2 people, should it be like that? Keep in mind, I don't know those 2 random dps as it was a helping group, but I can't say it, you know why? Because suddenly im a toxic person. And also we never killed it because dps was extremly low, I talk about seing 3 purple in phase 1. They did nail the mechanics fine but the dps was just way too low to even beat it. When adds appereared boss was at 40% after lb.

Earlier I was stuck in seph for 1 hour and half. And we downded it before timer ran out and we cleard it and farmed it after. Wanna know the funny fact? 6 out of 8 people parserd and KNEW BRD, MCH and NIN doing 900 or less wasn't excactly good. While WAR was behind DRG (1400 ish and WAr 1.1k) we still didnt mention their dps. What I did say was the dps is a bit low and people said nothing about it becaue I also told them we cleared it and it never mattered. But keep in mind they had a luxery OT and healers doing 400-500 dps as well, to make sure enrage wouldn't happen either. Funny thing is, I actually sent the MCH off to a guy I know, because hes a great MCH and they are both going through rotations and situations etc, testing out on dummy, parser on it etc. Now, that's what a call a person with amazing attitude, if there was more of those and less of those who take offense when we play nice and give them a hand, this wouldn't even be a topic between you and I and we both know it. I'm not going to say I respect when super hardcore pro parsers attitude is acceptable because it's not, and if people do that, just report them.

Edit:

Yay for helping people !

Haha love your post, it's a positive one for sure. I think mentor in this game somewhat half done. Sadly many uses the crown for pure vanity/cosmetics rather than telling people. There are far more people who arent mentors and know more than those who are. I wish people would take it more serious. I actually have decided at some point to make my own linkshel and train up people who are willing to

[Cherie]

All I say say in regards to people worrying about harassment... Harassment is going to happen regardless. Sure, if parsers were implemented, people might use them during harassment.

Right now we don't have parsers... Can we say harassment over performance isn't happening now? How could *true* information given to us as far as performance hurt us? Right now, harassment is still happening, but people will just base it on anything that suits their arguement. Like "your gear sucks, you are therefore terrible" "omg, a bard? Bards suck, kick them".... etc A parser would actually prevent unfounded harassment over things you can't control. Yes someone might harass you over dps, but that is something *within your power*...where-as they would instead harass you over something else arbitrarily that you can't control (like what job you chose, what gear you have, if you were saying things they liked or not, etc).

I think if we got parsers, then people will see: "The truth with set you free"

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

I think if we got parsers, then people will see: "The truth with set you free"

The truth will set us free... To harass others! OK, sure, why not, let's have parsers. Could be fun.