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    Reynhart's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krissey View Post
    No one has any proof though.
    The only "proof" we have is the numerous post where people claim that "If I could use an official parser, I'd officialy have the right to kick the DPS who suck".
    I agree it's significant as saying, according to the poll, the vaaast majority of the playerbase want a parser, but since other games also suffered from that, it's not that far-fetched.
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    Yes. To prevent bullying u can make it just for savage content where it is needed. The training dummies was a step in the right direction. I dont think there should be one in any df content. To many people would use it to bully someone who is just on to have fun and not have a high skill level or knowlage of the game
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    Arawn Wymer
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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyCeles View Post
    Yes. To prevent bullying u can make it just for savage and extreme primal content (because dps checks there is required too, look at seph extreme for example)
    Fixed it for ya . The rest yah don't really need.
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    Hootiehooooo
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    As a ps4 player, I would like an in game personal parser. I practice on the SSS dummy a lot, but without numbers it's hard to understand just how much I am doing/ improving.
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    Cnidaria Vaeriat
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChakoTako View Post
    As a ps4 player, I would like an in game personal parser. I practice on the SSS dummy a lot, but without numbers it's hard to understand just how much I am doing/ improving.
    Use this website to determine what your dps is and how much you are improving for SSS.

    http://ffxiv.2digitalgames.de/

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltyblast View Post
    It's not very different in FFXIV since that Item level gates all content, having higher item level "automatically" means you're better (even if your dps is higher than that "higher level player"), and grouping up in your own server is anything but convenient, since you even lose your roulette reward if you make a full premade. Why wouldn't I want the more convenient way?
    This is false, you do not lose your roulette bonus by running in a premade. The only thing you lose by entering the queue in any sized group is the "Adventurer in Need" bonus. There are plenty of people who run their roulettes in full premades just because they don't want to deal with the randomness of player skill that is the DF.

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltyblast View Post

    PS: And yes I can agree with you about the dps: currently I'm a BLM because my dps is very high and I'm only 220, but I usually top everyone (even in alex normal - I don't do savage). And that's because I know how to play it (and know that it works).
    PPS: And yes, I don't call out bad players. Because it's not my job to babysit them.
    I question this statement because looking at your lodestone, your level of knowledge for the BLM job is in question due to how you chose to gear yourself and which materia you decided to slot. My guess would be that you are around i221-i223, but your stats are as follows:

    SS: 787
    Crit: 782
    Det: 442
    Accuracy: 672

    As an i220+ BLM who claims to know the job, your spell speed is abysmally low. Part of knowing the job is also how to gear that job and which stats to prioritize. I also mentioned how you chose which materia to slot because you put determination materia into your Hailstorm rod instead of putting Spell Speed materia in there. As an example to an alternate choice of gearing, I play BLM as a main as well and we have a similar ilvl (I'm i223 now) and my stats are as follows:

    SS: 1042
    Crit: 875
    Det: 307
    Accuracy: 614

    Both of us have way too much accuracy for the content we are currently doing (last 2 values for ranged that I have seen for A8S is 595 and 604) and since neither of us are currently running Midas Savage, we both have more accuracy than is needed.

    P.S. I'm not questioning your ability to perform the rotations, just your knowledge about the job with regards to what stats you should be prioritizing over others. I only bring this up because I agree with the arguments about ilvl not determining player skill. To me, it appears that you are focused on ilvl rather than gearing properly.
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    Last edited by Cnidarian; 05-19-2016 at 12:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cnidarian View Post
    Use this website to determine what your dps is and how much you are improving for SSS.

    http://ffxiv.2digitalgames.de/
    I use that on my SCH, but how often did I crit? What did I crit on? How do I rule out that this was an outlier caused by these crits?

    Once you get comfortable in your rotation and understanding your patterns, it's about applying them effectively with mechanics like: invulnerabilities, aoe dodging, team coordination and necessary burst. An example would be a5s. How long can I stave off a Bio II from landing on his decreased vulnerability (big) form to try and apply it in his normal (small) form, before it becomes a dps loss? The fact that I can ask this question and I can't answer it, makes me a little annoyed. (I'm not assuming your stance on this, I'm just saying that it's not an ideal solution for dps)
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    Last edited by Rawrz; 05-19-2016 at 12:45 AM.

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    Rama Kagon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cnidarian View Post
    This is false, you do not lose your roulette bonus by running in a premade. The only thing you lose by entering the queue in any sized group is the "Adventurer in Need" bonus. There are plenty of people who run their roulettes in full premades just because they don't want to deal with the randomness of player skill that is the DF.
    My mistake I guess? But doesn't change a whole lot: you have zero reasons to go in a group except for that one reason you mentioned (and I assume because of faster queue time?). There is no reward for going in a group and infact only recently they lifted the solo requirement for most queues.

    Infact I would say that, the reason you mentioned for going in a premade, which is about not wanting to deal with player's "Randomness", kind of proves that the DF tool is toxic enough. As toxic as parser however? I can't tell, since we don't have it, but judging by the amount of threads about people complaining in their dungeon runs I think that DF can be toxic enough to cause players to avoid it completely.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cnidarian View Post
    I question this statement because looking at your lodestone, your level of knowledge for the BLM job is in question due to how you chose to gear yourself and which materia you decided to slot. My guess would be that you are around i221-i223, but your stats are as follows.
    Also about the BLM facts: I only said that I know how to play it, because I can dish out enough damage, I don't die as often, and overall I contribute to the run enough to say "Well, I did ok, so I guess I know how to play it now".
    Never I said that I'm the best at it: infact yes, my spell speed is low because I have certain pieces that don't have spell speed. I don't care about playing BiS but I care enough to play well enough to not be an hindrance: all I care is to dish out enough damage without dying and whether my item level is low or high, I couldn't give any care. Could I get better in terms of gear? Certainly, but most of my Lore gear is on my tanks and considering how small is the weekly cap I can't gear two jobs properly, so I stick with what I get. If I was a raider I can assure you that my stats would be different but I really don't care enough to get BiS gear.

    But my point remains: my damage is high enough (since I could see it), I don't die (so I'm not an hindrance), and for what I know (as in, dungeons and alex normal), I'm doing ok overall, which is more than I could ask.
    And all thanks to the parser because I managed to see my numbers and say "yeah, I'm doing well!". Infact if it wasn't for it, I wouldn't even bother with dpsing.
    But there's always room for improvement....when I'll care, that is.
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    Last edited by Voltyblast; 05-19-2016 at 01:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltyblast View Post
    My mistake I guess? But doesn't change a whole lot: you have zero reasons to go in a group except for that one reason you mentioned (and I assume because of faster queue time?). There is no reward for going in a group and infact only recently they lifted the solo requirement for most queues.

    Infact I would say that, the reason you mentioned for going in a premade, which is about not wanting to deal with player's "Randomness", kind of proves that the DF tool is toxic enough. As toxic as parser however? I can't tell, since we don't have it, but judging by the amount of threads about people complaining in their dungeon runs I think that DF can be toxic enough to cause players to avoid it completely.
    There are plenty of reasons to go in a group from RP reasons to just wanting to hang out with friends. For the most part, I think people want to run in a pre-made because it ensures they will have a quick run. Some DF runs can end up taking twice as long as normal due to someone being new or someone still learning and taking their time or even people who are just plain bad or are watching netflix instead of dpsing.

    I however, enjoy the randomness that is the DF and will typically solo queue over going as a group. I'm only around 1900 dungeon/trial clears, but I can count the amount of times I've seen toxicity in the DF for normal DF runs (not counting EX primals) on both my hands. This tells me that the DF isn't really that toxic, just that people report on their bad experiences more often than they do their good ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cnidarian View Post
    There are plenty of reasons to go in a group from RP reasons to just wanting to hang out with friends. For the most part, I think people want to run in a pre-made because it ensures they will have a quick run. Some DF runs can end up taking twice as long as normal due to someone being new or someone still learning and taking their time or even people who are just plain bad or are watching netflix instead of dpsing.

    I however, enjoy the randomness that is the DF and will typically solo queue over going as a group. I'm only around 1900 dungeon/trial clears, but I can count the amount of times I've seen toxicity in the DF for normal DF runs (not counting EX primals) on both my hands. This tells me that the DF isn't really that toxic, just that people report on their bad experiences more often than they do their good ones.
    As a tank (which is my main but slowly going dps), my runs last about 20 to 25 minutes tops (the main issue is the gating, rarely the dps), and as a dps my runs are pretty much the same.
    DF and premade can pretty much last the same time and considering I've done above 3k dungeon runs (according to my achievements at least: does mentor status help proving it?), I never ever felt the need to do a premade.
    Except for raiding and fast queues as a dps.

    And to be very honest, I hardly met toxic people in my DF runs, mostly because they are silent and hardly filled with Drama, which happened more in premades, so much that is my main reason for quitting the raiding scene.
    Infact in all of my gaming time in this game, I only had ONE bad time in DF and it was more amusing than stressful, but when it comes to premade...oh boy, let's just say that I could compare it to my raiding experience in WoW....post wotlk.

    And with that said, end of the offtopic: this thread is about parsers.
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    Last edited by Voltyblast; 05-19-2016 at 01:32 AM.

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