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    KarstenS's Avatar
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    Lilli Karani
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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyVal View Post
    this is getting a little witch-hunty.
    Hm.

    Tanks get booted when they don't do their job and the content doesn't get finished. Everybody does see, who is the one.

    Healers get bootet when the party constantly dies because of not enough healing and the content gets not finished. Here too, everybody does see who is the one.

    When missing damage is the reason to not clear the content like in the example 66% enrage in A8 story mode, it is a which hunt when people want to know who is causing this issue?

    My answer: There should be equal rights for all 3 roles. This would be fair to everybody else.
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    Last edited by KarstenS; 05-24-2016 at 08:08 AM.

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    Sylvana Tenebri
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    Quote Originally Posted by KarstenS View Post
    Healers get bootet when the party constantly dies because of not enough healing and the content gets not finished. Here too, everybody does see who is the one.

    When missing damage is the reason to not clear the content like in the example 66% enrage in A8 story mode, it is a which hunt when people want to know who is causing this issue?
    Healers are booted daily from all content for not DPSing, even when the content is extremely difficult. In addition, tanks and healers are more often blamed for failing content due to DPS checks than the actual DPS. Until the healer DPS meta is dealt with, DPS will never be considered a target for low DPS related problems.

    At least, that's the way it is on my data center.

    Edit #2: Brute Justice being at 66% on enrage is just as much a fault of the tanks as it is the DPS. There's no reason to have such a depressing enrage unless both tanks are in tank stance 24/7 and all 4 DPS are terrible.
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    Last edited by Thunda_Cat_SMASH; 05-24-2016 at 09:21 AM.

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    Launched's Avatar
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    Rys Sol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    Edit #2: Brute Justice being at 66% on enrage is just as much a fault of the tanks as it is the DPS. There's no reason to have such a depressing enrage unless both tanks are in tank stance 24/7 and all 4 DPS are terrible.
    What if most of that DPS did come from the tanks and healers? Even a tank in tank stance can beat a bunch of the bad DPS players I see often enough. You can't say it's as much the tank's fault without a parser to show proof.
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    Arawn Wymer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    Healers are booted daily from all content for not DPSing
    Wow, this post. No words.
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    Khuja'to Binbotaj
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    At least, that's the way it is on my data center
    We are on the same data center and I have literally never seen this happen in the two years I have been playing the game. I have seen people booted for other reasons, but never because they don't DPS.

    (I've even been that healer that doesn't DPS (shame on me) and I have never been kicked for it, or even ever called out on it)
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    Last edited by Lambdafish; 05-24-2016 at 11:23 AM.

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    Valentina Jalenoux
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    Quote Originally Posted by KarstenS View Post
    When missing damage is the reason to not clear the content like in the example 66% enrage in A8 story mode, it is a which hunt when people want to know who is causing this issue?
    Of course not. If someone is visibly holding back the clear due to lack of effort, that should be addressed. The tone at the time of my comment was two people had very harshly responded to someone who made an offhand comment that they didn't want parsers. My "witch hunt" comment was that in this thread it appeared someone made a statement and, in turn, they were slapped across the face for disagreeing by multiple people. Which, imo, is bad for any debate on any topic in a forum.

    The long and short of my two cents is that a personal parser should be available for those who want it for any content, and there should be optional group parsers for savage and extreme content. People who harass others because of a parser will continue to do so, with or without an official parser, and an official parser won't alleviate or worsen that problem. If I see PFs pop up with "must be able to parse x amount" then I'll just avoid those parties because those people are probably people I don't want to run with regardless. But I don't think an official parser will cause any more of a witch hunt mindset against under-performing players than those who use parsers already have created. (ETA: which from my personal experiences, is not a large problem on my server anyways.)
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    Last edited by LadyVal; 05-24-2016 at 03:41 PM.