Would you like an in-game parser?

[Launched]

How is a dummy going to remind you about those though? How is a dummy going to teach you to use or maintain anything while you're running around fighting groups of mobs?

How's it not going to help? If you can't keep BotD up until you run out of TP, or Enochian for 5 minutes on a dummy, you don't know your job well enough. Boss fights in dungeons are easy enough that apart from mechanics like frogs/dolls in Antitower, you shouldn't be away from the boss long enough to drop a buff. You learn your job on a dummy, then when you're learning actual fights you be careful with the timers (use Blizzard IV to reapply Enochian at 10s so you don't have to worry about mechanics, use Geirskogul when the BotD timer is closer to 30s than the 21s minimum). You don't just "forget" to use the buffs that are a huge part of the job at 60.

I mean I go in dungeons on Astro occasionally and one of the things I always seem to need to remember is which skill is my Esuna equivalent and where I put it on my hot bars.

But you apparently have all 3 healers at 60. Why don't the 3 Esuna skills all share the same hotkey? Same for other similar skills like Cure/Physick/Benific. I can't say I have any trouble remembering my hotkeys, and I have every job at 60 because I keep them consistent between jobs. My melee combos share the same skills. My caster DoTs do too. Buffs/debuffs are on the same keys on each job, and so are similar skills like Shroud of Saints and Luminiferous Aether.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

You should be comfortable enough to be able to go in and never drop your buffs like Enochian or Blood of the Dragon (while still using Fire IV/Geirskogul) unless there are mechanics that force it. If you can't do that, you should spend an hour or two on a dummy.

Following that logic, you don't need a parser for anything provided you've already passed the SSS trial for it, invalidating all request for a parser.

[Launched]

Following that logic, you don't need a parser for anything provided you've already passed the SSS trial for it, invalidating all request for a parser.

SSS proves you have the ilvl to clear a piece of content, and that you know your rotation on a dummy. If you can't do SSS you probably shouldn't be attempting that content, but clearing SSS doesn't mean you're going to automatically do well. It doesn't prove that you can keep max uptime and manage your buffs for high DPS, which is what a parser shows. It's entirely possible to have a BLM that can parse whatever the max is on a dummy, and then do absolutely awful on Seph Ex because they can't deal with the movement. A parser proves to them that they're doing worse than they should instead of SSS making them think they're the highest DPS in the group.

[randysquirrel]

I refuse to go BLM in roulettes because I dont know how to play it.

See I'd rather people be like this than on the other end of the scale (ie not knowing, but not caring). But if you were in my DF roulette as BLM, came in and said you were still learning the class and asked if anyone had any constructive feedback, how to improve or whatever, that would be 100% fine by me. I'd never have anything against people willing to learn.

I am staunchly pro parser. Not because I want to judge others, look down my nose at their inferior dps and make my epeen twitch. I am pro parser, as I think too often people join DF or PF parties, and put in absolutely zero effort, they do not know their class, and what's more they do not care, as they just expect to be carried. That is not fair to the party. Regardless, I will still always give my best, as that is what I find most fun (runs where everyone is on top of their game are the best, melting through expert in ~12 mins etc), but it is irritating when I can physically say someone making no effort at all. I think a parser would reduce the number of Netflix alt-tabbers and auto-follow SCHs. I don't think it would eliminate them entirely (DF people are still likely to do whatever, as you're unlikely to meet them again anyway), but it may reduce them.

The only content that you could argue "needs" a parser, is savage raid (inb4 someone argues you don't NEED a parser here either, yes I know, but it is extremely helpful), and I don't know of a single group attempting this content that doesn't run one. But as a PS4 player, it's inconvenient that I have to constantly ask what my numbers were.

tldr; sub-optimal but trying to learn is acceptable, DGAF-yoloing is not

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

That's your play style, and that's perfectly fine. Then you have people on the opposite end that learn best by actually doing, which is where the phrase, 'Thrown in on the deep end come to mind.

[Lambdafish]

That's your play style, and that's perfectly fine.

There is no alternative playstyle to "learning and performing your job". You are condoning people simply not contributing to fights, it doesn't matter if you are in ex roulette or savage, if you don't contribute then you are hindering the team, and you seem to support that. I'm all for messing around, me and some LS people sometimes go into big bridge or other easy content and see how low an ilvl we can get before we can't beat it, but I'm not going to force a DF run to tolerate that, no matter how easy the content is, because that's rude. And as people have said, if I pull a bunch of mobs and don't use CDs on my PLD (cue the healer yelling at me), I cannot say "I play how I want", because that is the origin of toxicity in this case, not "parser mentality".

The example with enochian: what should have happened is that the player commented on skill not being used, and the player explaining that they werent totally comfortable using it yet. This answer might upset people in Ex primals, but in a dungeon the worst you will get from the majority is either acceptance or if you are lucky, help.

Ironically, you can pretty much say that about both sides in this debate and it'd be equally fitting.

Pretty sure 3 people is a larger amount than one person

[Khemorex]

the amount of ignorance in this thread starts to rise again :P

[Seraphix2407]

But that seems to always be the default argument. Someone points a finger at someone for not doing something and to prove their point they say "don't blame me if we wipe" right?

why arent they using the skill in first place? The arguement people use is people are bad and when you call it out they start whining. Not using a skill makes them worse. You and others seem to forget that dps has a role like tank and healer. If either slack its a wipe.

[Reiryuu]

why arent they using the skill in first place? The arguement people use is people are bad and when you call it out they start whining. Not using a skill makes them worse. You and others seem to forget that dps has a role like tank and healer. If either slack its a wipe.

No one'll ever know unless someone asks. But again, the way you ask is just as important as using the skill. If you come off as aggressive and trying to pick a fight, people are going to get defensive. If you come off as being helpful or informative, that's less likely to happen. Everyone's different.

DPS have a role just like healers and tanks sure, but as a healer I am also expected to DPS as are tanks. Granted, I have nothing else to do besides DPS if the tank is full, so I might as well even though I'd prefer a role more similar to that of the FFXI red mage or bard. I like being a super support/enfeeble while healing instead of DPSing it's one of the reasons I've tried go to get back into Astro.

But then what happens if 3 DPS and a tank happen to go one way for A7 Normal (I can't say if this would work for savage, don't do it. >.>; ) and both healers, 1 dps and the tank go the other? If one of the 3 dps is a black mage, and they can keep the tank alive long enough with Physick spam till the party kills the adds and regroup to redistribute it, should they? I had to do that once when I was doing turn 10 in Coil of Bahamut as black mage. It was messy, but it worked.

But again, my philosophy is do what you can to get the win-- it doesn't have to be pretty. I still remember the "ghetto" method of Binding Coil T1. Fusing the snakes and having the tank run around the arena... messy? Yes. Did it work all the time? No. Was it fun? Hell yes! XD

[Seraphix2407]

..D

The methods you speak of gives more chance for wipe, why Would you risk it more? Ahh yes i Miss ffxi rdm and brd. True support class, i can see why you roll astro.