Would you like an in-game parser?

[LadyCeles]

You can compare seeing your dps with others like how first person shooters show there kill death ratio. But would that work in an mmo. Too many sensitive people and too many mean people that wronfully point blame without knowing why. I wont stop saying it. Will work in savage and use fflogs. Can make it an option for SSS but u can just go to website to get that info

[Reynhart]

Wow, lots of things to adress here...

1: Great dps and mechanics
2: Mechanics is fine but dps isnt
3:Not so much dps and no mechanics :P

You forgot "Great DPS but no mechanics.

Denying players that learning instrument just because certain others don't want to learn their jobs

I don't deny it. I just don't want others to force that on me.

It... sounds like you think that skill and parsers are mutually exclusive? Or that a parser has a negative effect on skill?

Absolutely not. It's just that with only a parser and no skill, you'll be bad. With skill and no parser, you'll be good. So, a parser is not mandatory.

People complain that adding in a parser will cause toxicity and will knit pick each other's dps, but why not choose the personal parser option?

Not causing toxicity. Just allowing those toxic people to be more vocal.

I might be raid leader but i wouldnt make a cut without my group wanting it.

Imagine this (Numbers don't accurate, they're here for the sake of making my point) :
You're in a static on Midas Savage with an average DPS of 1000. You know the content by heart, you farm it every week with ease.
One week, your static can't play, so you join a Party Finder to get your loot. But in this party, there are seven uberstuffed uberskilled players who do constantly 1200 DPS.
After two wins, the leader says that you can't stay with them because your DPS is too low and the runs take too long.
Will you go "Ok, it's fair, I'm bad", or "Dude, WTH ?! We won two times, and I farm it every week" ?

You can compare seeing your dps with others like how first person shooters show there kill death ratio.

Is the FPS community really an example to follow ?

[Kaurie]

Absolutely not. It's just that with only a parser and no skill, you'll be bad. With skill and no parser, you'll be good. So, a parser is not mandatory.

Ah that is fair, and I completely agree. That said, a parser can help you improve your skill. It's just a tool.

Imagine this (Numbers don't accurate, they're here for the sake of making my point) :
You're in a static on Midas Savage with an average DPS of 1000. You know the content by heart, you farm it every week with ease.
One week, your static can't play, so you join a Party Finder to get your loot. But in this party, there are seven uberstuffed uberskilled players who do constantly 1200 DPS.
After two wins, the leader says that you can't stay with them because your DPS is too low and the runs take too long.
Will you go "Ok, it's fair, I'm bad", or "Dude, WTH ?! We won two times, and I farm it every week" ?

Personally, I'd probably be miffed and confused, but also acknowledge their right to kick. Then I would join another party and go on about my day. I don't feel that story is an adequate enough reason to not have parsers. I also don't think that would be the norm.

[Seraphix2407]

Wow, lots of things to adress here...
You forgot "Great DPS but no mechanics
Absolutely not. It's just that with only a parser and no skill, you'll be bad. With skill and no parser, you'll be good. So, a parser is not mandatory.

Well if you are bad at mechanics you aren't excactly a good at dps either, mostlikely dead.
Also how can one person know they are good in fight besides SSS? I do agree with you there and parser isnt a miracle tool, far from it, it helps you improve in fights, in terms of dps, heal raiding dmg etc, it's not only numbers, because that' not what a parser is. Yes you can be good without parser and you can be having a parser and have no skill. But that's the thing, we want people to improve

I read this on reddit earlier:
Some people think that just doing mechanics correctly means they are doing their job, these are the same people who argue against parsers in the OF and proceed to be outdamaged by a tank in tanking stance. And we all know this happens quite alot.

Now, it's up to a person if they want to improve or not. But if they decide not to, that's their choice but they can't expect people to drag them in content where dps actually matters. Other day in seph I was PLD tanking it most of the time in the stance and dropped it off in last phase and I got told I did more than 2 people, should it be like that? Keep in mind, I don't know those 2 random dps as it was a helping group, but I can't say it, you know why? Because suddenly im a toxic person. And also we never killed it because dps was extremly low, I talk about seing 3 purple in phase 1. They did nail the mechanics fine but the dps was just way too low to even beat it. When adds appereared boss was at 40% after lb.

Earlier I was stuck in seph for 1 hour and half. And we downded it before timer ran out and we cleard it and farmed it after. Wanna know the funny fact? 6 out of 8 people parserd and KNEW BRD, MCH and NIN doing 900 or less wasn't excactly good. While WAR was behind DRG (1400 ish and WAr 1.1k) we still didnt mention their dps. What I did say was the dps is a bit low and people said nothing about it becaue I also told them we cleared it and it never mattered. But keep in mind they had a luxery OT and healers doing 400-500 dps as well, to make sure enrage wouldn't happen either. Funny thing is, I actually sent the MCH off to a guy I know, because hes a great MCH and they are both going through rotations and situations etc, testing out on dummy, parser on it etc. Now, that's what a call a person with amazing attitude, if there was more of those and less of those who take offense when we play nice and give them a hand, this wouldn't even be a topic between you and I and we both know it. I'm not going to say I respect when super hardcore pro parsers attitude is acceptable because it's not, and if people do that, just report them.

Edit:

Yay for helping people !

Haha love your post, it's a positive one for sure. I think mentor in this game somewhat half done. Sadly many uses the crown for pure vanity/cosmetics rather than telling people. There are far more people who arent mentors and know more than those who are. I wish people would take it more serious. I actually have decided at some point to make my own linkshel and train up people who are willing to