Would you like an in-game parser?

[Seraphix2407]

There are other ways to improve, this is the best way to point fingers at someone.

I know you mentioned it, but sadly and no lie, many make it sound like it happens in every 2/3 dungeons or fights you enter. Because that's their strongest arguement. My arguement againt's that they are more bad players than those who want to listen and take advice and need to see with their own yes how they perform, because we all know many are in denial. If it was your static and like Dement said, you should leave it if you could clear it with current 100 dpe less, if not then yes you should done that 100 dps, maybe that would get you the clear, but if it already did, then you should have left. You mentioned you don't want a parser to be forced on you, the static isn't forced on you either, that's your choice and yet you like to stick to it. #Makesnosense.

Also you dont need to point fingers at people who are bad, I simply just tell people if they undeperform and we need them to perfom better to skip phases that would be amazing to do so, or example beat enrage which is the main prio to beat. If I don't call them out for underperforming they would never know they needed to improve. I'm glad most people are willing to, but sadly more people who are in denial.

Edit: Looks like you left your statics, so then it shouldn't be a problem anymore then. Then again most statics expects people to play well, if it was 100 dps less and you turned out to wipe because of that 100 dps less, then that person should improve, but if you guys beat it, it shoudn't be a problem at all. I know if some one underperform in my group I'm okay killing it, however when we saw enrage first time beating alex 7 savage, 2 people had to step up. Doesn't matter their dps was okay, it was simply not enough to beat it. That's what not many get sadly and people keep talk about dungeons are a big deal which me and countless of others have said over 209349203898349 times we don't really care about.

Because we have very different philosophies on what makes a game fun. You like numbers and making sure everything is working as optimally as possible, whereas I just like to go in and have fun

Those guy doesn't need to be optimized like when I enter a dungeon. As long they are okay and doing decent I'm all good for it. However this picture shows also people have fun in the fight, what's even more painful is that it's rare to see 4 dps who are on pair, being super low on dps being in same group.
Now, lets say one of them happened to join another group with 3 decent dps, his dps still would been low, because he was either lazy or just don't give a damn and think it's okay for people do his part too. Just because you cleaned a normal alex or dungeon, doesn't mean what you do is acceptable. If I was low like these people, I would leave, without blinking my eyes, because in my nature I think of others, not myself. It's only selfish taking and doing the thing you think is fun, while you having fun, it ruins a whole group. I don't like that and it's a huge part of the community. If only they had a tool/add on to see by themselves, they would mostlikely wake up and admit.

[Seraphix2407]

Yes i Said 1.1k is lower. But check my old post and see if i kicked anyone for doing less than my war. Then you show me proof you get kicked for being 100less. You guys dont prove anything while i could go all Day. Before people wanna discuss and give facts prove it. You guys make it sound like it happens ofte and yet No proof. Many in here has already, you guys havent.

[Saraphin]

i think a *personal* in game parser would be nice, but only so that you can see your own numbers. those that do run 3rd party parsers tend to get really shitty about seeing other people's numbers if they're 'low'. being able to see your own numbers? yes. other people? no. not at all.

[Miste]

Is it just me or is the people who don't want parsers being a bit....paranoid? Maybe not the best word but why do you assume you'll be attacked for your DPS numbers in every DF run just because they add an official parser? I am not trying to be rude either but it seems like baseless fear mongering that FFXIV will turn into hell because people will be tormenting people left right and center about DPS.

Like I really don't know if this community is THAT toxic (and people are just assuming this will happen). Not saying there aren't jerks who will be a jerk with parsers but honestly they were probably going to be jerks anyway even without an official parser. In the end you don't need a parser to be a jerk, but using a parser doesn't automatically make you a jerk either.

As for statics...well when you join a static to run the hardest content available at the time in the game you kinda know that you are signing up to have your play style critiqued along with DPS numbers if you are a DPS job. Working as a team to complete difficult content often requires members to talk about what they all can do better to help the team succeed. No one is perfect so obviously being a jerk towards someone when they aren't performing up to your personal standards is not cool but not every static is like that at all.

So if your static leader abusively attacks you for not doing that extra 100 DPS then you should find a new static that is like-minded. There are different kinds of statics. You gotta find one you mesh with. On the other hand if your static leader only mentioned you could be doing more DPS and didn't abuse you for it then they were just pointing out to you that there is room for improvement if possible. If you feel like you cannot do any more than you already are then just say so. What happens after that will show you if you are with like-minded people or not.

Giving up on or avoiding raiding because of parsers is just pointless in my opinion. You are mistaking the parser itself as being the jerk when it's really the players you encountered that are jerks in your eyes. Find like-minded players who you can raid with. It can be hard but its not impossible if you try. If you really wanna work for it you could also make your own static and be the leader to create the kind of static you want to see.

[Reynhart]

Honestly, the stories you're providing have more to do with those people than parsers themselves. I understand having bad experiences, and I'm sorry you dealt with that, but as the old saying goes, "don't shoot the messenger," cause that's all a parser ever is: a messenger.

A parser is not a messenger, it's a tool. Yes, tools aren't inherently bad or good, but this has shown some really immature member.
You see, I wouldn't give baseball bat for free in a kindergarden...

Like I really don't know if this community is THAT toxic (and people are just assuming this will happen). Not saying there aren't jerks who will be a jerk with parsers but honestly they were probably going to be jerks anyway even without an official parser.

That's still not a reason to give them another mean to be so. That's why I suggested a toggled parser, to deal appropriately with each person you meet.

Healers + Tanks have had to deal with accountability from day 1, with the kind of logic the anti parser people throw around, we may as well remove the HP bar, MP bar and Emnity meter.

Did you die ? No ? Then your healer did his job.
Did you get aggro, was your tank OS by a tankbuster ? No ? Then he did his job.
But, when you're beginning to bitch about your healer because he too much or too litlle overheal...And I'm sure we'll come to bitching about tank having too much HP at the end of each buster, meaning they didn't use the right combination of cooldown for each buster...or that they were having too much vitality back in the days /wink /wink

Did you wipe on enrage on savage ? No ? Then it doesn't matter if your DPS weren't optimal.

Maybe that useless dexterity potion could contribute more than I expected? You know, waste of gil, the effect is too short, barely noticeable... it did not seem worth it.

Sorry, but if you need a parser to understand that boosting your main stat will boost your damage by a lot, you have another problem

[Archaell]

Sorry, but if you need a parser to understand that boosting your main stat will boost your damage by a lot, you have another problem

Tell me how exactly are you supposed to tell without any feedback? As I said - The effect is short, the CD is long, it really did not seem so great.

The main point is I would still have no idea without the parser or someone else parsing and telling me.

Getting better at dpsing is much easier with the parser than without it - or would you say that most of the players are so good they don't need the feedback parser gives them?

[Reynhart]

Tell me how exactly are you supposed to tell without any feedback? As I said - The effect is short, the CD is long, it really did not seem so great.

Easy (and 100% weight free):
1) Compare the DEX bonus on your gear, and the dex bonus on the potion.
2) Realize how many ilvl you'd need to have to same gain on DEX.
3) Be amazed
Yes, the duration is short, but since you burn pretty much everything during your opening rotation, the effect is tremendous.

Getting better at dpsing is much easier with the parser than without it - or would you say that most of the players are so good they don't need the feedback parser gives them?

I never denied that. What bugs me is that people think it's necessary. I don't know if I'm really good compared to other DRG, since I don't use a parser, but what I know is that I've improved a lot without any parser, by looking at guides and videos, and training on SSS.

we are not talking about 100 dps below average >_> but more like players who are doing HALF the amount of damage as others. Tanks and healers topping the DPS meters... etc...

Like I said, several times, if you really do half the damage you're supposed to do, it either means that you failed pretty much every mechanic and died, or that your rotation is so flawed that wouldn't even beat SSS. Either way, you don't need a parser to realize that.

[WeekendSoja]

Be nice if SE made a parser available server...I would be down...I am an advocate of transparency...I don't want to hide behind the anonymity of the Internets social anxieties. I want to perform well and, like in real life, I can respect follow players who also perform well.

It's like a peer system, I can like you as a player, but if I know you're better than me, I may not just up and join your group without at least asking first. With the anonymous lifestyle this game has, DF or PF...everyone just needs to be optimistic and "hope for the best."

I normally get my clears at release of content...all the high-end DPS return to the game and I get things done within that first week of not the second. Listening on my community voice chat server the frustration of people trying to clear Seph EX now...its kind of saddening that they can't get over the DPS check.

Parser available data center would be nice, accountability for all! Less frustration for the parser community!

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Not everyone against parsers is afraid of accountability. If anything, a fair number that I've seen against parsers is far more concerned about the potential of abuse by those that may as well be CoDers, and the fact of the matter is that any criticism is portrayedby those trying to "help" in asuch a condescending manner that they might as well be drooling copious amounts of salt from their serpentine lips, as it were. It's rather rude as well to assume that everyone that doesn't want a parser doesn't try their hardest to max their DPS, again, because a parser won't ever actually help, particularly if the person in question doesn't want to help.

[Seraphix2407]

It's rather rude as well to assume that everyone that doesn't want a parser doesn't try their hardest to max their DPS.

It's also rude to just make up a number like 1350 people being kicked for not DPSINg as healer. So you are saying 1350 people out there who are innocent, are now bullies because you just made up some numbers earlier? I still stay on what I say, the numbers you made up sounds like you see it happen every 2/4 dungeons you enter, so please provide your info atleast. Making up things and talk like people are bad are way more rude than those who asume the ones who doesn't want a parser isn't trying their best. I'm sure there are people who do, but I'm also well aware many aren't trying and they are just comfy in their nutshell. When you are in a group, you don't expect people to adjust to you, you have to adjust to them. Behave and play decent.

Massive generalizations, massive assumptions, rudeness, calling people obsessed just because you don't share their opinion, calling people condescending/passive-aggressive/arrogant just because they were having a polite discussion with someone (that you weren't even apart of). Seriously, just stop it please.

I find it ironic some people just wants to make the world a better place, are the ones who make it worse. I agree. His older post are just toxic and negative and also (sadly) put's anti parser crowd into a bad spotlight. I'm not gonna shame all anti parser people because of this guy. What he do is shaming, name calling and abusing toxic words againt's people who uses parsers and even if he doesn't even know them, using a parser in his eyes you are automaticly an asshole. His post has so much irony.