Would you like an in-game parser?

[Dzian]

No in game parser unless it only shows your dps and nobody elses and only to you.

That's impossible because of the way jobs /party members affect each other's damage.

And if you don't have information on the rest of the party any number you have for yourself is meaningless.

Quite a substantial chunk of your dps is not down to you but down to the rest of that party. Your sams dps might for example be 200 higher or lower from one fight to the next simply because a ninja used trick attack differently or maybe there wasn't a ninja last time at all. Or there was last time and then he dropped and was replaced by a blm. The same could be said for most jobs. Ast cards might give you another 200 dps. A brd another 200. So Even if you played exactly the same and had a personal parse that didn't tell you anything about the rest of the party. you would see such varied results from fight to fight that you could not hope to male an accurate comparison or conclusion.

You simply cannot have an accurate personal parse if you exclude information about the rest of the party. And if it's not accurate then it's entirely useless.

Party composition has a very significant impact on your own dps. So if you want accuracy you need all the parties information not just a fraction of it

[Sebazy]

Party composition has a very significant impact on your own dps. So if you want accuracy you need all the parties information not just a fraction of it

Precisely why I feel that if we are to get an in-game parser, it should be based around Potency per Second rather than DPS. It's gear agnostic and your party comp doesn't have such a significant impact on your performance that way.

[MoroMurasaki]

Precisely why I feel that if we are to get an in-game parser, it should be based around Potency per Second rather than DPS. It's gear agnostic and your party comp doesn't have such a significant impact on your performance that way.

I think this is likely the fairest compromise that anyone has come up with thus far. While I would personally prefer essentially ACT in-game this would be such a huge step forward for PS4 players I think we could make it work.

[NosamKin]

to simply answer the question - yes - I would like an in game parser.

What comes up at the end of PVP would be a good start. (THUS it already exists - at some level)

[DeaconMoore]

to simply answer the question - yes - I would like an in game parser.

What comes up at the end of PVP would be a good start. (THUS it already exists - at some level)

Shhh, they'll take that away if you're too loud about it.

Realistically the dev team should have some kind of damage meter tool at their disposal for balance testing purposes. The PvP report is just a after action numbers server report. No real useful information is in it aside from epeen data.

[Aerlana]

Parsers in WoW wasnt a real issue.
Most people know the content they are going. Why asking a 99% perfect for LFR? Most people have 1 will = killing the bosses. I did so many run in PU during the currect expansion, in normal mode, with some people with trash DPS... was not the only one to see, but boss died, the top players of the raid didnt care about the low one. And most smart groups didnt cry when they was a little wipe after 5 boss kills. Less spoke, more play, faster ended... Better than raging, kicking/leaving, and find other people.
When it become hard to go thru bosses, yes, parsers help to get out some people, but even in those case, it is the really bad players that are kicked (those who does 50% the DPS they could with their stuff... ) So... is it a real matter?



Sometime, there is silly people, yes but their game is harder, they are raging puppies, and not because you are elitist you go faster than others... sometime slower...


BTW... ACT exist, it is forbidden in the ToS but tolerate. results?
1) PC players get the tool, and can get toxic with if they want.
2) PC players get the tool, they can use it for personnal purpose, and use it to work their DPS. gaining 1% after 1%.

PC > PS4...

The main reason i want a parser ingame is there. (And also, it will be better than tier program. more accurate)
the toxicity matters is only for a team parser? Do individual parser, a system that only show your own damages. Would be silly (some things are shown in others parse) but would be GREATLY better than now. (and in a static team, you have always same teammates, so there is less variation due to other teammates)

People dont need parsers to be silly and kick nobrain other people... And personnal parser avoid to add a reason...

For those who says "if you dont know how to improve yourself, go read guide" . You know guide are written by people who are... experiencing? with parsers? ...

[Mature]

Party composition has a very significant impact on your own dps. So if you want accuracy you need all the parties information not just a fraction of it

This.
Another clear example of personal DPS gain is Bard. Doing SSS V4s , a full 340 bis bard can pull up to 21/23sc left which is around 4.4k tops (without rng crits ,pots or food). But if you actually go into the fight you might be doing less damage BUT because of the party buffs you can pull a MUCH higher dps then your own SSS parsing.
Having the right party composition can increase your own DPS in huge proportions (using the same example with Bard, having a SCH,AST,DRG will make your Bard DPS increase in a ridiculous way)

But of course if we don't have a parsing , how do we know?

Another reason why we need a personal parsing.

Tbh without one there wouldn't be any guides in YouTube telling you when to execute certain CD etcs.

[Dzian]

This.
Another clear example of personal DPS gain is Bard. Doing SSS V4s , a full 340 bis bard can pull up to 21/23sc left which is around 4.4k tops (without rng crits ,pots or food). But if you actually go into the fight you might be doing less damage BUT because of the party buffs you can pull a MUCH higher dps then your own SSS parsing.
Having the right party composition can increase your own DPS in huge proportions (using the same example with Bard, having a SCH,AST,DRG will make your Bard DPS increase in a ridiculous way)

But of course if we don't have a parsing , how do we know?

OK without meaning to sound harsh or anything your post makes no sense and has confused me a bit.

The bit above basically agrees with why I said personal parsing wouldn't work because you've given an example of how party composition can really impact your numbers which is exactly the reason a personal parse wouldn't work.

then you decided to finish your post with

Another reason why we need a personal parsing.

Tbh without one there wouldn't be any guides in YouTube telling you when to execute certain CD etcs.

You've just agreed with me and said personal parsing wouldn't work... and if it won't work why do players need it. it's useless to them?

staying with your example if a personal parse isn't going to tell you what that ast sch or dragoon is doing how are you going to get an accurate and meaningful representation of your dps and how those jobs affected it. you just can't.

and if a parse is going to tell you that information then its a group parse not a personal one.....

[Mature]

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No offense taken. What I was trying to say is that thanks to parsing we have then YouTube videos teaching you rotations and Maximizing damage. So , without a parser we wouldn't have any of those videos online.

Thanks to parsing we can improve our rotations and damage we inflict on mobs.

Basically we DO need a PERSONAL parser for us to improve and get better. Because PC user are having the upper hand by finding out things that PS4 users can't (bard IJ snapshot for example)

A personal in game parser is needed to improve

[Dzian]

No offense taken. What I was trying to say is that thanks to parsing we have then YouTube videos teaching you rotations and Maximizing damage. So , without a parser we wouldn't have any of those videos online.

Thanks to parsing we can improve our rotations and damage we inflict on mobs.

Basically we DO need a PERSONAL parser for us to improve and get better. Because PC user are having the upper hand by finding out things that PS4 users can't (bard IJ snapshot for example)

A personal in game parser is needed to improve

No we don't. Because as your earlier post said in agreement with mine. Party composition makes up a very significant chunk of your damage. And to make any accurate measure of your performance from a parse you need that information.

So any accurate parse can only be a group one and NOT a personal one.

If that ninja in your party ups your dps by 200. And that ast ups your dps by 200. And that bard ups your dps by 200. Then all of that information needs to be represented in a parse if a player is to get an accurate result. If it isn't included players are going to see huge variations in there dps without any explanation as to how or why because all that information will be missing so they have no idea where that dps comes from even though it is theres

And thus the information a personal parse would give them would be useless. because they wouldn't be able to account for where all the dps came from and why.

Don't get me wrong. Full parsers can help players improve a lot when used correctly. But a personal parse that doesn't tell you about the rest of the group is useless because as we've both already said. Party composition and the other members have a very significant impact on your dps. So you need to see that information as without it any numbers you get are useless which is why I said in response to this comment...

No in game parser unless it only shows your dps and nobody elses and only to you.

That it was impossible to implement an accurate parse like this. to be accurate you must have ALL the parties information