Would you like an in-game parser?

[Reiryuu]

I find it ironic some people just wants to make the world a better place, are the ones who make it worse. I agree. His older post are just toxic and negative and also (sadly) put's anti parser crowd into a bad spotlight. I'm not gonna shame all anti parser people because of this guy. What he do is shaming, name calling and abusing toxic words againt's people who uses parsers and even if he doesn't even know them, using a parser in his eyes you are automaticly an asshole. His post has so much irony.

Well, how many proparsers have made gross generalizations and statements about people who don't want parsers? Apparently we are afraid of accountability, afraid of DPS checks, lazy and want entertainment without any effort because how dare we play a game to have fun.

One post mentioning this is right above here. Here's a few other posts one by you about the same picture you posted later in the thread.

Oooooh....it all makes sense. You're afraid of failing the DPS test. What if it turns out you're always top DPS and the best? Would you care about parsers then? If you knew you had nothing to worry about?

When you just want entertainment without eny effort, playing a game is not the right thing for you. You should sit back and watch only, like in the quiz show example above.

Check the picture I just posted. His term is ''fun'' How is it fun when few people in a group wanna do it half ass? How is it fun when we wipe at 66% enrage?

And I hesitate to call you out Seraphix, but going back to the previous post I commented about and how you said "Well I didn't say here's how they have fun" you actually kind of did.

See the two and compare:

Dad, how do I do this math problem?
Oh, that's easy. Here's how you do it.

Oh, that's easy. You do it like this:

Do you see now how easily some of your own posts can be interpreted as hostile and yet you're willing to ignore those. Was the person you two are referring to on the rude side when he made his point? Yes, and I'm not defending him/her. But you can't keep saying that we're the only ones making generalizations, assumptions and statements like this and ignoring the ones you(general) are making yourselves.

[Seraphix2407]

Well, how many proparsers have made gross generalizations and statements about people who don't want parsers? Apparently we are afraid of accountability, afraid of DPS checks, lazy and want entertainment without any effort because how dare we play a game to have fun.

Well, as I mentioned, I respect peoples views and different opinions, so I should ask you where I call people bad names because I disagree with one of them or in this case you.

I never said you or anyone else is afraid of DPS checks, I said people can be lazy yes, but please don't lie without thinking 1 second replying to me about this. You have 3 guys in a expert roulette doing 950-1.300,while last man is 550-600, is this behavior fine to accept? I find this type of people lazy, I really do. When MANY, I swear I could quote all day, when we say low dps, it's 50% lower than it should be, yet people PUT words in our mouth saying 100 less dps is not acceptable.

Since you saw my older post then you should have atleast not ignored the other ones I posted no?

No he wasn't. He said he doesn't want people to harras him, but calling people idiots is fine? If I was telling that group the DPS was low, I would probably been one of those ''idiot's'' he talks about, no? I never told them they were bad, some one left on his own and I left right after, left me and my friend no peneality, because I wanted to help. In all honesty, I get you with your witch-hunt comment, but please, give me a good reason why it's fine to call people ''idiots'' because there are people willing to help others out, but they have no power, before people turn into idiots helping out, or people being offended by the slightest little thing.

He doesn't want people to harras him right? What about a large scale of the community doesn't want people to be lazy or give a damn? Respect goes both ways no? Or am I wrong?

I know I shouldn't posted that one comment, how should I put it.. immature. So I shouldn't have left it there, however, calling idiot's isn't excactly mature, especially saying he doesn't want people to harras him, but started of harrasing people. I take my blame, and I went a bit far there, he however. I'd love to see his own respons on the topic.

Then I replied again:

Thank you for your respons and I'm glad the way you respond. So let me respond you in the same way. I know he didn't single out anyone, I never posted my picture to point it at him. My picture and post was simply about what has been a large topic in this thread for almost 80 pages. I never said he could be one of those types of players, but when people say they can't have fun if someone tell they need to improve, it's just one of them silly arguements, on my honest opinion. Why did I post the picture? Because those people have fun in their own way, they want to do it for themselves and not include others in the party and look how well that went? Now, this doesn't happen often but it happens. There are reasons why it happens and it's been a on going topic throughout the thread:

People having fun in their own way
Refuse to take advices
Maybe they have no one to teach them and perhaps wants help? I don't know there are endless of ways and why they are like this.

As I've said before, no one doesn't care if his DPS isn't optimal in dungeons, if that was a thing you would seen it happen in many dungeons. Myself and other people parser dungeons, because we want to commend people who do a real good job. I can see who's trying hard and some aren't. That's why we commend right? To give the best player in group the commendation?

Then look at how this person talked to me before he/she said this:

I apologize... i was a bit abrupt and could have been a bit more tactful.

Now me and that person disagree and I might have gone too far myself, even when this person went all out on me, I still ignored it and respect their opinion, after all we have one. BUT, what I DON'T LIKE
is that Preypancer when he/she doesn't agree with others, he starts calling people names and insults them instead. Want my honest opinion? You just sit there and think it's fine. You have to show me where I supported those people that you quoted.

They aren't excactly right or wrong either, it's for me 50% - 50%. There are people and we can't deny it, that exist that doesn't want a parser so they can avoid playing less lazy in dungeons or for example normal alex. This also gives people another reason to get better, because when they are in denial they just seem to ignore the problem than fixing it. Yes they do exist just like people would be assholes about parsers. I admit they exist, time to admit people on your side (not all but few atleast) doesn't want one so they have no reason to get better. I'm just being honest here. Keep in mind there is a bigger scale of PS4 players who want's a parser than PC players, for obvious reasons. Why do people hate Ps4 players soooooooooooooo much.

Yes then if someone is a jackass to you, then report them, seriously do it. I hate people who would talk trash like that too, I also even told people not to. Only difference between 1-2click dps, decent dps and top dps is:
super slow run
not so slow
super fast runs
I'm all okay for those dungeon runs, because keep in mind some people are new as well on the super slow runs as well. But when I KNOW people dont click their buttons often,thats an issue. But you don't and I trust you on that. So if people talk bad, then report them.

This is what I quoted to the guy I posted the pictured and asked him if this was the type of fun. Like I said I went a bit far and I even said sorry, now, for me it's hard to see what people means when they have fun. Many have fun and keeps wipes for hours because they accept it, while other groups wipes a few times here and there still have fun. But I think honestly the word ''fun'' is overrused when enrage like 66% happens. Many times people could say they don't care they wipe they have fun. But that's the issue, there are other people in group who want's do down it, what about them? They aren't allowed to have fun and kill it?

[Reinha]

I never said you or anyone else is afraid of DPS checks, I said people can be lazy yes, but please don't lie without thinking 1 second replying to me about this. You have 3 guys in a expert roulette doing 950-1.300,while last man is 550-600, is this behavior fine to accept?

Yes it is fine in Expert roulette, when the healer requirement is this:
(right click -> open new tab to see full pic)

Yup, it is indeed sad. Here is my second experiment after trying LCoA with WHM i76. I removed as much as I could without raising suspicion.




No danger whatsoever even with my 8k HP. I only had to heal a bit more and using cooldowns gave me room to dps.

So whatever kind of dps is possible with a 210 weapon, hat and chest piece should be the baseline for damage dealers, because it is for healers too. Actually I was able to dps as a healer which is extra so make it just a weapon and chest piece.

Besides, isn't expert roulette the perfectly right place for the low dps to be as long as they finish? I mean, where else do you want them? Extreme primals? Leveling dungeons, most of which are harder than expert dungeons (lol)?

tl;dr
Anti parser players dont want parsers implemented because they'll actually have to put effort in dungeons rather than being carried

Care to elaborate
(1) What forces players to put in effort even if there are parsers?
(2) What makes you think anti parser people are not already playing at their full effort?
(3) What makes you think anti parser people are being carried?
(4) What makes you think that wanting to slack and troll by doing nothing is any more common than people abusing the information a parser brings? There are bad apples in every subset of people.
(5) Did you read this thread at all or do you just like to drop in and shout inflammatory and generalizing comments on behalf of people you know nothing about? You are not exactly inviting concerned people to trust players like you with a parser.

[Archaell]

Let me tell you a story, even though you are clearly busy trying to improve the way others express their points... it's not gonna work so you can stop. ^^


Few months ago I decided to try out the dps classes. This was really surprising in itself because originally I did not plan to play something that can just sit back and get carried without much effort.

So I picked up the machinist. The main reason behind it being the "songs" so it still seemed somewhat supportive and useful.

I played it bit, looked up the rotation, leveled it to 60 and then got kinda curious how much useless I was - so here I installed the parser... and it was horrible. The MCH dps being a little bit lower in itself helped neither. Anyways, after the initial shock of trying to figure out where does the MCH dps stand in the comparison to the other jobs, I managed to get satisfied with my performance... which ended quite fast when I got matched with another MCH who was doing much more than I did. I was seriously baffled by it... how come someone can do so much even though my rotation was golden? It seemed too much even for the gear difference, as I was still gearing up. So I was pondering, hitting the dummy and pondering some more - till it hit me back.

Maybe that useless dexterity potion could contribute more than I expected? You know, waste of gil, the effect is too short, barely noticeable... it did not seem worth it.

Whelp, nope, it boosted my dps so much I was just looking at the screen unable to comprehend it.

Without the parser I would have no idea how much the potions improve your dps contribution.

You may like parsers, you may hate them, but even if they would cause all the toxicity as it is believed they still help you to get better which also makes the experience itself better. Pretty much the better you are the less likely you are to get attacked by the toxic players that you might fear.


Now question time:

How many players do you think use the potions in Ex primals etc. if they have no idea how much dps that one button does? How many enrages could have been stopped? How many players are willing to waste their gil for the sake of killing that primal?

(It would be easier to answer while looking at some parser logs of course :3 but feel free to guess.)

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

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So you needed a parser to "git gud" because you didn't think increasing main stat by x amount would result in X DPS gain?

[Archaell]

So you needed a parser to "git gud" because you didn't think increasing main stat by x amount would result in X DPS gain?

You see, from the casual perspective the food and potions seem like something only the savage raiders need. And there really isn't in-game feedback that would clearly tell you otherwise.

I bet there are many other players like me who would improve just by having the parser around.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

You see, from the casual perspective the food and potions seem like something only the savage raiders need. And there really isn't in-game feedback that would clearly tell you otherwise.

I bet there are many other players like me who would improve just by having the parser around.

Max Potion, nq, increases stats by 100 points, comparable to 9 free weapon damage, which for openers due to the exponential rate they increase would nnaturally lead those with a little math to believe that yes, they do wonders for your DPS.

[Archaell]

Max Potion, nq, increases stats by 100 points, comparable to 9 free weapon damage, which for openers due to the exponential rate they increase would nnaturally lead those with a little math to believe that yes, they do wonders for your DPS.

Well I am bad at math. If I don't see an example or two I have no chance of doing it. I can work with potency - if the potion said "increase the potency of your skills by 50" etc. I could work with that. Turning the potency into the real numbers is entirely different story.

Give me a tutorial and I might be able to do it... but we don't have tutorials how to do math in the game unfortunately so I need the calculator - parser - to do the math for me.

Archaell, Thank you for your story. I understand completely where you're coming from. Sorry for the harassment, glad for your improvements.

Thanks ^^

[Rawrz]

Anyone else loving, that at this point, you know which crowd has gotten the last word in, just by recognizing the name?

[Ciri_Wolf]

Kinda. Fun fact: these topics have always been terrible for both sides.