Page 10 of 15 FirstFirst ... 8 9 10 11 12 ... LastLast
Results 91 to 100 of 145
  1. #91
    Player
    Noxifer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Posts
    1,177
    Character
    C'alih Tia
    World
    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by KrenianKandos View Post
    TL;DR: I don't agree with crossdressing
    [...]
    From what I can see, S-E is looking towards removing some items and making it unisex. While I don't personally like that choice, it is their game and I will not say a word about it if I see it, but personally, it won't sit well with me.
    The problem is that most of the time, female characters are perfectly allowed to crossdress (since many of the "male-only" items are, in fact, unisex). Male characters aren't.

    IRL, women are allowed to crossdress (trousers, suits/tuxes, masculine flannel shirts) without anyone opposing it, other than maybe people assuming that for places requiring 'formal wear', women must wear high heels and dresses. Men aren't without people questioning their sexuality, gender identity or beating them up for assumptions regarding those. (Yes, there are rare cases when men can "get away" with it, if they're fortunate to live in a city where people generally are more tolerant. It'll still cause quite a few raised eyebrows and comments. I tend to wear a long skirt at home, because it's comfortable and it's more socially accepted than wrapping a duvet cover around my waist because it's clothes. Went to the shop once during the summer without switching to trousers, crossed paths with a small group of people in their early twenties or late teens and heard semi-loud comments to the point of "people should really make up their minds (about gender)" -- probably because I'm also long-haired... with a beard. Glanced at the group. Three of them were short-haired women with jeans. Yeahhh... people should really make up their minds, no? *amused*)

    Anyway, I get side-tracked. The point is that it should be fair for all players of this game. When gearsets are female/unisex, that's not fair. If they're female/male, that's fair. If they're unisex/unisex, that's fair. I for one am glad that SE are looking at levelling out the already-existing unevenness in addition to evening out the release pattern for current patches. Whether they do that by making the gearset pairs into unisex/unisex or female/unisex/male (by introducing new male-only gearsets to match the themes of previously released ones), it's pretty much the same to me.

    And while I did make the comparison with IRL also allowing more freedom when it comes to clothes, the fact of the matter is that in Eorzea gender equality isn't really a struggle, is it? I mean, we know they can change quest text based on character gender, because not only pronouns get different, but we're addressed slightly differently in some texts depending on our gender. If text boxes started questioning our life choices of becoming the warrior of light if we happened to be playing a female character, or if female NPCs stopped being guards or other "dangerous" jobs because it wasn't "responsible" of them... then it might be fair to assume social rules when it comes to clothes may be similar.
    (2)
    Last edited by Noxifer; 04-28-2016 at 10:00 PM.

  2. #92
    Player
    AnduinLynn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Posts
    120
    Character
    Bailey Reed
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 60
    Everyone has their own style and there should be room for everyone to express that style, and that is a good thing.
    The answer is: you can ever go too far. To open up as many costumes to as many people who want to wear them allows for diversity, and diversity is a good thing in an MMO.
    (2)

  3. #93
    Player
    KrenianKandos's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Ul'dah
    Posts
    336
    Character
    Krenian Kandos
    World
    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Noxifer View Post
    The problem is that most of the time, female characters are perfectly allowed to crossdress (since many of the "male-only" items are, in fact, unisex). Male characters aren't.

    IRL, women are allowed to crossdress (trousers, suits/tuxes, masculine flannel shirts) without anyone opposing it, other than maybe people assuming that for places requiring 'formal wear', women must wear high heels and dresses. Men aren't without people questioning their sexuality, gender identity or beating them up for assumptions regarding those. (Yes, there are rare cases when men can "get away" with it, if they're fortunate to live in a city where people generally are more tolerant. It'll still cause quite a few raised eyebrows and comments. I tend to wear a long skirt at home, because it's comfortable and it's more socially accepted than wrapping a duvet cover around my waist because it's clothes. Went to the shop once during the summer without switching to trousers, crossed paths with a small group of people in their early twenties or late teens and heard semi-loud comments to the point of "people should really make up their minds (about gender)" -- probably because I'm also long-haired... with a beard. Glanced at the group. Three of them were short-haired women with jeans. Yeahhh... people should really make up their minds, no? *amused*)

    Anyway, I get side-tracked. The point is that it should be fair for all players of this game. When gearsets are female/unisex, that's not fair. If they're female/male, that's fair. If they're unisex/unisex, that's fair. I for one am glad that SE are looking at levelling out the already-existing unevenness in addition to evening out the release pattern for current patches. Whether they do that by making the gearset pairs into unisex/unisex or female/unisex/male (by introducing new male-only gearsets to match the themes of previously released ones), it's pretty much the same to me.

    And while I did make the comparison with IRL also allowing more freedom when it comes to clothes, the fact of the matter is that in Eorzea gender equality isn't really a struggle, is it? I mean, we know they can change quest text based on character gender, because not only pronouns get different, but we're addressed slightly differently in some texts depending on our gender. If text boxes started questioning our life choices of becoming the warrior of light if we happened to be playing a female character, or if female NPCs stopped being guards or other "dangerous" jobs because it wasn't "responsible" of them... then it might be fair to assume social rules when it comes to clothes may be similar.
    Yeah, that's pretty much why I said I wouldn't really say a word about it ingame or IRL, but inside, I'd be perturbed by it. There's an equality factor that I am for, but in my mind, it doesn't jive. Not sure how else to explain it.
    (0)

  4. #94
    Player
    pikster's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Posts
    106
    Character
    Horatio Cornwhole
    World
    Omega
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 70
    Am I the only one who thinks bunny ears and silly gimmick clothing should never have been in the game in the first place?

    Running a dungeon with a Roe wearing leopard skin trunks and bunny ears is something that would really wreck the immersion into the game for me. The current state of it before making things available both sides is too much IMO...
    (0)

  5. #95
    Player
    16bitBounty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Posts
    559
    Character
    Alyssin Kiger
    World
    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 80
    the problem with the rabbit suit is it's not a rabbit suit. It's a bustier, panties with fishnet stockings and bunny ears. I have no qualms with the bunny ears being made gender neutral.
    (1)

  6. #96
    Player
    Laerune's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Posts
    2,913
    Character
    Yu Zeneolsia
    World
    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by pikster View Post
    Am I the only one who thinks bunny ears and silly gimmick clothing should never have been in the game in the first place?

    Running a dungeon with a Roe wearing leopard skin trunks and bunny ears is something that would really wreck the immersion into the game for me. The current state of it before making things available both sides is too much IMO...
    But its here already and only one side of the playerbase has the option to wear those type of outfits. SE will not remove them, since they spend time and money it and players are fond of them. So the only logical solution is to even the playing field and allow the other half to enjoy those type of outfits.

    Here are some examples on how the bunny outfit could work on males.






    But SE has said that making new outfits takes to much time and effort (yet they made female ones....), so we have no choice, but to ask for the female outfits.
    (2)
    Last edited by Laerune; 04-28-2016 at 10:21 PM.

  7. #97
    Player
    pikster's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Posts
    106
    Character
    Horatio Cornwhole
    World
    Omega
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Laerune View Post
    But its here already and only one side of the playerbase has the option to wear those type of outfits. SE will not remove them, since they spend time and money it and players are fond of them. So the only logical solution is to even the playing field and allow the other half to enjoy those type of outfits.
    Im all for opening it up for both genders, hell, if we are going to throw realism and lore to the wind we might as well do it all the way! But tbf, thats not my morals speaking or an overwhelming desire for equality... Its more of a "meh" this really shouldn't be an issue.

    Still, if all players could not go to a dungeon dressed as a bunny i'd really appreciate it.
    (0)

  8. #98
    Player
    Nicodemus_Mercy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2016
    Location
    Limsa Lominsa
    Posts
    942
    Character
    Nicodemus Mercy
    World
    Midgardsormr
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by 16bitBounty View Post
    the problem with the rabbit suit is it's not a rabbit suit. It's a bustier, panties with fishnet stockings and bunny ears. I have no qualms with the bunny ears being made gender neutral.
    Why is that a "problem"?

    We already have the coeurl briefs and talisman for guys. Would the male version of the bunny costume really be much different from that?
    (5)
    How many men am I involved with? Well that depends... do you mean men as in males? Or just midlanders?

  9. #99
    Player
    16bitBounty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Posts
    559
    Character
    Alyssin Kiger
    World
    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus_Mercy View Post
    Why is that a "problem"?

    We already have the coeurl briefs and talisman for guys. Would the male version of the bunny costume really be much different from that?
    Can't say I'm fond of the Jok swimsuits. Why does your ken doll need to be a flaming diva? This isn't real life, characters aren't born with gender confusion they're male or female and the eorzean style based on NPC's is pretty clear cut.
    (0)

  10. #100
    Player
    Laerune's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Posts
    2,913
    Character
    Yu Zeneolsia
    World
    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by 16bitBounty View Post
    Can't say I'm fond of the Jok swimsuits. Why does your ken doll need to be a flaming diva? This isn't real life, characters aren't born with gender confusion they're male or female and the eorzean style based on NPC's is pretty clear cut.
    What does wearing female outfits, have to do with gender confusion?
    (7)

Page 10 of 15 FirstFirst ... 8 9 10 11 12 ... LastLast