question how far is to far

[Ashkendor]

i happy like armor that ffxiv dev team use for end game my self and now the thread look better after put those post picture on ignore. I didn't not ask you post picture you in your swim suit i ask you not to. I find quite boring seen player run around in most revealing armor they find. there dime a dozen of those players it much more fun to enjoy they work of dev in creative and detail they put in for both end game armor as well job gear. i like the dragoon armor.

The funny part is I don't run around in that. I had to go dig it out of my armoire, actually. Every one of my classes has a distinct look to it. Some of them are "standard" and fit the mold (tank gear, for example, is High Allagan) while others are a little more unique (like my healer gear). The thing is, if I did want to glamour myself into a bikini, who are you to tell me not to? Do you think I like seeing a billion catgirls running around in bikinis? Not particularly, but it's their choice and I just sort of shrug and ignore it. The fact of the matter is that you rolled out this thread talking like you speak for the majority of players when you really don't speak for anyone but yourself when it comes to what you do and don't want unlocked to both genders. Lucky for us, SE is in charge of those decisions and you're just another whiner that thinks her opinion is a lot more popular than it really is.

if you don't realize it that armor match the culture that dark ages in Europe. it amazing the detail they went to make the buildings and armor match that like culture which what isengarde is base off

Er, wrong fandom there, chief. Pretty sure it's not called Isengarde in any language. >_>

Head pieces like rabbit ears, I say let it us all wear em. The bunny bustier, I say no to that. Things that are specifically designed for women should stay gender locked and vice versa but items like gloves and head pieces, let us have em and vice versa.

I don't see any reason men couldn't get the bunny bustier, albeit altered to be more fitting to the male figure. If you want to make this argument, then girls should not have gotten the Thavnairian vest since the bra had to be added for them.

I mean, really. If we're going to have 'sexy' gear for men why does it need to be exactly the same as for female characters? Why can't the equivalent for the 'Bunny Suit' be something that shows off a male character's muscles in a way that is conventionally attractive?

I'd much prefer that than simply getting the female version.

Exactly. I prefer the "separate but equal" treatment to simply making every pretty dress wearable by males. :x

[AskaRay]

Honestly I want more androgynous clothing....
why?
Because that's the aesthetic I like. I don't like hulked out muscled men yet I see tons of tanks doing stuff like that, and since it's more "traditionally masculine" it's probably going to be more popular (hulked out muscled women on the other hand....good)

"Too far" is really just an opinion. I like feminine men and masculine women, that's my opinion. Yours is different and that's okay.

I want them to AT LEAST stop having female gear be the "unisex" gear. That needs to stop definitely. I mean, I'd love to have everything be gender neutral...but at least give an equivalent, cmon.

[Theodric]

Yes, well, one can always choose to play a female character if they have such an allergy to the male form.

It's fine to have different opinions - but it's become very common for a vocal minority of people to demand that companies bend over backwards to accommodate their tastes when...they're not the majority at all. Most people want to play women who look and act like women and men who look and act like men. It doesn't have to be super masculine or feminine but with how these 'crossdressing or riot' threads go we just see people demanding that everything becomes feminine or androgynous.

[AskaRay]

Yes, well, one can always choose to play a female character if they have such an allergy to the male form.

It's fine to have different opinions - but it's become very common for a vocal minority of people to demand that companies bend over backwards to accommodate their tastes when...they're not the majority at all. Most people want to play women who look and act like women and men who look and act like men. It doesn't have to be super masculine or feminine but with how these 'crossdressing or riot' threads go we just see people demanding that everything becomes feminine or androgynous.

Well... it's not like I'm asking for them to bend over backwards or else I'll stop playing... I'm allowed to voice my opinion right?
Besides the POINT isn't an allergy to the male form, it's a preference of a certain type of male form. Does androgyny really bother you that much, hmm? I realized this was a bit mean, but I got sort of really offended you'd tell me to just play as a female character... obviously i would've done that before if I wanted to. There's nothing wrong with it in the "real" world and there's nothing wrong with wanting it in a video game, either.

Like I said before, I'd be less annoyed if they bothered to make some nice male-only gear (and KEEP it male-only). But seeing they pull the "it's too time consuming to make more gear", it's MUCH easier to just edit current models to fit male rigs (thus making the gear unisex) than design and model new items. So if that's the card they'll keep playing I'll just keep asking for all the gear to become unisex.

The last few patches have been better about it.

[Vivi_Bushido]

Inb4 the male counterpart of the bunny suit, ends up showing no skin at all, and is more of a tux. Therefore making it actually an entirely different piece of gear for genders.

[raymon]

Inb4 the male counterpart of the bunny suit, ends up showing no skin at all, and is more of a tux. Therefore making it actually an entirely different piece of gear for genders.

it's gonna be the Halloween even gear all over again. females unique males the same coatee we already have with a new bow

[Serilda]

I'd be perfectly happy with them making a different top for the male version of the two bunny outfits if they think it fits better. Heck, they could skip the top entirely and give us a male-only neck item which looks like a bow tie and collar - perfectly suitable for the theme and the costumes some people want to make with their bunny girl friends (not to mention adaptable into alternate glamours with different tops). Adjusting designs to fit their view of aesthetics doesn't bother me so long as the male version isn't a lame afterthought while the girls get something special. You won't see me complaining about the 7-Eleven maid outfits from a design perspective because the campaign treated the guys fairly (fans outside Japan, less so).

I know the OP has put half of us on ignore now but I am hoping that the recent relaxing of gender locks on some newer equipment is a sign S-E is getting the right idea. In my mind the 'masculine aesthetic' versus 'feminine aesthetic' argument is completely separate to the 'female and unisex' problem, but there is certainly merit to suggesting more variety too - especially given how many designs are shared between the five caster jobs.

[Serilda]

Yep; same with the Thavnairian set. They had a good idea for a male equivalent to the bustier set, but they modified it for female models and made it unisex. A dancer-style male-only set would have kept things balanced, yet instead they invested their time in giving the ladies something extra. If they only have a certain amount of time to work on things and this has to keep happening (which I doubt), they could at least alternate instead of always choosing the same group to favour.

It bugs me that the locked costumes are also some of the most popular glamours in the entire game. You'd struggle to find a single female character on my server without the bunny ears and Thav bustier in their collection, they're so beloved. You will find someone glamouring those items in almost every DF party. The design team have clearly done well, so can the rest of us get the same love from them now?

[Laerune]

Yep, It always felt like a bias towards designing female outfits, which I can understand. If someone likes making female outfits more then males, then they will be motivated to make more female outfits, but when you get your funds from a playerbase that is made of both genders, you have to start being fair and make outfits for both of them.

They should either make outfit for both or reduce the subscription of gamers with male avatars, because what is the point of paying for outfits that I can not wear? Luckly they have been fair the past few patches which is a good sign, but the damage is already done and the only way my faith in them can be restored is if they start releasing male version of the female exclusive outfits. We have been asking them for over a year and still no reply, they said that males will get something, but still nothing.

Yoshida said he encourages and loves feedback, but so far nothing has been done with our request.

[Kurogaea]

Breastplates. Like female breastplates. If a male character can wear it then I guess that would be going too far. I wouldn't mind it though. I'm a freedom fighter type



Also, that would be pretty funny to see XD