Progression: Eos+AST vs Selene+WHM

[Yhisa]

Triple post due to being on mobile cannot edit previous

AST + SELENE gives most raid dps due to AoE arrow and selene buff stacks plus all other cards, also with a AST/SCH combo u both can unload ur "unmissable" dots on to bosses without having to stack accurracy

Also AST/SCH u need to play like a synagist and sobatuer (ffxiii reference) buffs and debuffs if u do this it will stop out WHM/SCH dps

WHM/SCH u need to play like Medic and ravager (another ffxiii reference) where ur WHM heals, and SCH goes full dps and lend occassional helpful heals

For fairy choice... It depends on content, EoS if no mnk/high damage fights, Selene for buff/silence/AoE dispell if no bard the fairy is just situational at best but dont be 1 of these bad SCH and assume to use selene only and thing u can dps the entire fight (so many of these around)

[CBellz]

To answer your question then, Eos would help me DPS more in some cases, but I don't think it would impact the way I support the party DPS with my cards. But I think it's safe to assume that Selenes support of party DPS outweighs that.

I know that pre-buff Astro's 15s balance/arrows were decidedly worse for DPS than Selene, but if there's new math out there discussing whether or not Astro cards bring more DPS than Selene now with 30s balance/arrow I haven't seen it so far so I can't say for sure.

[FoxyAreku]

Actually EoS would be used if healers got split up or chamber away for a long period of time because SCH would have no HoT or healer to babysit him instead

Literally not a single fight where this happens.

Yup, when a group has everything on farm AST+Selene is the clear winner. I'm mostly speaking about progression. I normally never use Eos, but this tier I've started to find a lot of situations where she's quite useful in the later fights of Midas.

I've not seen any in A5S or A6S, but if you're further than that I can't speak of it as that's as far as I've been.

[GeekMatt]

I know that pre-buff Astro's 15s balance/arrows were decidedly worse for DPS than Selene, but if there's new math out there discussing whether or not Astro cards bring more DPS than Selene now with 30s balance/arrow I haven't seen it so far so I can't say for sure.

That's why Selene + Balance

[KarstenS]

I've not seen any in A5S or A6S, but if you're further than that I can't speak of it as that's as far as I've been.

Pre Nerf there were already some critical situations in A6 where the buffs of Eos helped alot. Post Nerf the raid wide damage got reduced very noticeable.

How long and far are you in A6?

[Kaurie]

I'm pretty adamant about Eos being unnecessary. Haven't ever encountered a fight where I had to use her through all of Coil and savage when they were current (though I never did A4S).

Sorry if my thought is offtopic, but it's safe to say the most raid DPS would be astrologion+Selene and if it's in question you should just do that.

Personally, I prefer Eos. The added healing abilities are really nice (fey illum + adlo + convalescence + defiance + deploy = dayum shield), whispering dawn is incredibly useful to help keep you DPSing and healing less and Fey Cov is great for reducing your teams incoming damage. That is a lot to trade for a buff that gives your team members 1 extra GCD every ~140 seconds of constant attacking. The only time I currently use Selene is vs Hummelfaust.

[FoxyAreku]

Pre Nerf there were already some critical situations in A6 where the buffs of Eos helped alot. Post Nerf the raid wide damage got reduced very noticeable.

How long and far are you in A6?

3rd guy

Personally, I prefer Eos. The added healing abilities are really nice (fey illum + adlo + convalescence + defiance + deploy = dayum shield), whispering dawn is incredibly useful to help keep you DPSing and healing less and Fey Cov is great for reducing your teams incoming damage. That is a lot to trade for a buff that gives your team members 1 extra GCD every ~140 seconds of constant attacking. The only time I currently use Selene is vs Hummelfaust.

DPS gain is a DPS gain.
I usually run with a white mage, so Eos is just unnecessary for me. Even back in coil in heal intensive stuff like T13 I never needed her.

[Kaurie]

DPS gain is a DPS gain.
I usually run with a white mage, so Eos is just unnecessary for me. Even back in coil in heal intensive stuff like T13 I never needed her.

DPS gain is only really achieved when you have 140+ seconds of continuous battle, not obtained when things interrupt that such as jumps etc. Where if you battled for 60 seconds, you would not get an extra GCD and would simply have finished at ~59.1 seconds instead. And yes, i realize that is technically a DPS gain.

Further, increased healing output of Eos allows for you to DPS more which may very well be a larger DPS gain for your team. Having Eos use rouse + Whispering dawn may allow for both you and your WHM to DPS.

[Kaenbyou]

I'm glad this thread was created because I was having the same doubt about fairies recently.
We're only at final boss of A6S with my static but I ended up finding Eos better in more way than Selene actually (except for Hummelfaust).
The dps it allows us healers to do while we're showered in HoT easily beats Selene's Haste.
One of the best example is during Ratflinx's Therapic Shock spam when both healers can stay in Cleric Stance with the increased HoT healing.
Add to that the fact that A5S and A6S have a lot of downtime (Boost on A5S, 2nd boss of A6S add phase,...), that forces you to delay a lot of Fey Wind to be effective while Eos can be useful at every moment of the fight.
For me, looking at the way the current raid are designed, Eos wins this patch.
But I really hope they can find a way to make Selene more useful, because its biggest weak point in raid is its kit.
You only use one useful skill raid with Selene, and it's Fey Wind. Fey Caress is really situational and doesn't work on a lot of debuff in raid and the silence is really unreliable and may only be useful on A6S 1st boss if your designed silencer is dead.
In fact, for me, they shouldn't make Selene have embrace and replace it by something doing damage or boosting damage to fully go into Eos-> Heal, Selene-> Damage type of fairies, but that's a discussion for another thread.

[FoxyAreku]

DPS gain is only really achieved when you have 140+ seconds of continuous battle, not obtained when things interrupt that such as jumps etc. Where if you battled for 60 seconds, you would not get an extra GCD and would simply have finished at ~59.1 seconds instead. And yes, i realize that is technically a DPS gain.

Further, increased healing output of Eos allows for you to DPS more which may very well be a larger DPS gain for your team. Having Eos use rouse + Whispering dawn may allow for both you and your WHM to DPS.

You also have to consider though that the spell speed/skill speed would help anyone who places their dots while it's up (since it's a 30 second buff, pretty much everyone will refresh their dots at least once during the duration).

But yeah.