Progression: Eos+AST vs Selene+WHM

[CBellz]

Which combination yields more raid dps?

Both are pretty stable in progression. Selene gives the party a 50% uptime haste buff while the WHM manages burst healing. Eos gives covenant, whispering dawn, and fey illumination to the AST to bridge the cap in burst healing throughput between AST and WHM. AST handles raid utility and DPS increases through cards.

[HyperNovaX]

Well, that's new. I've never heard about a SCH using Eos just to make AST achieve a WHM's burst healing. If an encounter is so healing intensive, you will use Eos regardless of who you're healing with. You won't use Eos just to help out an Ast. That makes no sense anyway, Ast is fine.

[GeekMatt]

I'd have to agree with Hyper, I'm not sure why you'd look at it that way. If you're healing with an AST main healer that can't perform where a WHM could, then either swap out the AST or use Eos to assist them, depending on what sort of group you're running. I would be shocked to find a place where my AST couldn't keep up with my WHM. And as an AST I'm especially fond of those hectic moments where the entire party is on the verge of death while the tank is taking a beating, that's where it shines for me, it just takes the ability to prioritize and multitask rather than hitting everyone with a hard burst. You can pick them up quickly and save the one that would otherwise die in a cast time.

[CBellz]

Well, that's new. I've never heard about a SCH using Eos just to make AST achieve a WHM's burst healing. If an encounter is so healing intensive, you will use Eos regardless of who you're healing with. You won't use Eos just to help out an Ast. That makes no sense anyway, Ast is fine.

You're veering off topic by misinterpreting my post.

I wouldn't use Eos just to babysit an AST. From a raid DPS perspective using AST+Eos in progression provides safety and nets you decent raid DPS. For example, a divine seal cure III from a WHM takes the party from critical to safe levels of HP in 1 GCD. With an AST, you could achieve a similar result in 1 GCD if you paired AST heals with Eos CDs. Eos gives AST Divine Seal outside of Synastry essentially, as well providing more safety in the AOE heal department. It's about being efficient and saving GCDs in healing that could go towards DPS instead without compromising safety.

DISCLAIMER: I am not saying AST sucks and can't mainheal (I run content on it regularly). I'm specifically asking if AST+Eos is more raid DPS vs WHM+Selene given that both combinations are safe in progression and bring utility to the party.

[Kelya]

I've never tried this combo but just by having Eos I think WHM/Selene wins. Eos really only gives a HOT every 1 min and a +20% healing buff every 2 min. I'm not counting Convenant as AST has Collective Unconscious and I didn't hear about any fight being a wipe without Fey Convenant (tho I might be wrong since I haven't reached A8S myself). If you're not using Fey illumination at the same time as Synastry then it's not even compensating for the burst as you will never be close to a Cure3, which is the only reason I see to want Eos vs Selene in the first place. So unless a Synastry + Fey illumination are needed at the same time, you'd better take Selene which synergizes well with the low GCD of AST.

[FoxyAreku]

I'm pretty adamant about Eos being unnecessary. Haven't ever encountered a fight where I had to use her through all of Coil and savage when they were current (though I never did A4S).

Sorry if my thought is offtopic, but it's safe to say the most raid DPS would be astrologion+Selene and if it's in question you should just do that.

[Yhisa]

Actually EoS would be used if healers got split up or chamber away for a long period of time because SCH would have no HoT or healer to babysit him instead

This is a misconception of SCH they are not baby sitting the main healer, the main healers are baby sitting the SCH so he/she can just dps apart from reduce tank buster damage and the occasional shield the group SCH is just a SMN being carried by Fairy/whm/ast

As an AST or MCH i have seen many times when the main healer dies its a wipe cause SCH cannot keep up with the healing without extreamly burning himself dry out of MP, massive cooldown burning and heavy relying on pet to help heal players

Thing is SCH got it easy for them, but as soon as ur main healer dies its game over ur SCH will have a heart attack quickly trying to raise the main healer or hoping that there is a smn in group to get the main healer up.. Without the main healer SCH is nothing

[Yhisa]

Both are pretty stable in progression. Selene gives the party a 50% uptime haste buff while the WHM manages burst healing. Eos gives covenant, whispering dawn, and fey illumination to the AST to bridge the cap in burst healing throughput between AST and WHM. AST handles raid utility and DPS increases through cards.

AST dont need eos to help with burst healing we dont need the fairy to even help us, there is a lot of bad player AST around who dont use there kit and fiddle around too much with there cards

AST got the highest burst healing in the game if the player uses there "KIT" correctly instead of holding it off AST also got a major HoT stacking combo which ticks for 4-5k (6-7k on tanks),

But fairy is used depending on the raid ur going up against, if there HIGH damage eos is winner or if the content is new, selene is a fairy for cleared content u have done and when u feek comfortable using her instead of eos

[CBellz]

I'm pretty adamant about Eos being unnecessary. Haven't ever encountered a fight where I had to use her through all of Coil and savage when they were current (though I never did A4S).

Sorry if my thought is offtopic, but it's safe to say the most raid DPS would be astrologion+Selene and if it's in question you should just do that.

Yup, when a group has everything on farm AST+Selene is the clear winner. I'm mostly speaking about progression. I normally never use Eos, but this tier I've started to find a lot of situations where she's quite useful in the later fights of Midas.

You will never be close to a Cure3, which is the only reason I see to want Eos vs Selene in the first place. So unless a Synastry + Fey illumination are needed at the same time, you'd better take Selene which synergizes well with the low GCD of AST.

This is a pretty fair point.

[GeekMatt]

To answer your question then, Eos would help me DPS more in some cases, but I don't think it would impact the way I support the party DPS with my cards. But I think it's safe to assume that Selenes support of party DPS outweighs that.