Recover HP/MP while standing still, out of battle, and enmity zeroed

[Neptune]

So with the current quadrupled MP cost, people have to come up with how to lessen the cure needed. fortunately, there are ways to do it in Darkhold, does people knows about it? or care to find out about it? probably no.

I will show you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbEHwYaG9wE
http://youtu.be/7SrFZKUYz7A?t=11m54s
Both video shows you method how to fight both raid NMs with close ranged melees not taking any damage at all.


Thing is, alot of players, if i were to point out directly, most DPS players that are from FFXI aren't very knowledgeable when it comes to figuring out these things or learns to adapt properly, how many DPS classes at FFXI that bothers with physical damage reduction gear? most only knows how to tank and spank, wait for cures. Neither do they pay attention to what cause what, what triggers what.

Thanks for posting that for any melee players that happen in here. You make an excellent point, and I couldn't agree with you more about the skill level of a lot of melee players. They're not used to positioning, and only a few are used to the idea of triggering abilities at the right time. The 4-5 healers was set based on the MP costs to cure 1 tank though. If it had been based on curing a whole party of (bad) DPS it would have had to be more healers than that!

[Viridiana]

Thanks for posting that for any melee players that happen in here. You make an excellent point, and I couldn't agree with you more about the skill level of a lot of melee players. They're not used to positioning, and only a few are used to the idea of triggering abilities at the right time. The 4-5 healers was set based on the MP costs to cure 1 tank though. If it had been based on curing a whole party of (bad) DPS it would have had to be more healers than that!

Bull****. Our LS regularly runs with 2-3 healers, and I still have to tell them to stop healing me (DPS) instead of the tank. Obviously you're exaggerating the hell out of the MP costs.

[Chardrizard]

Thanks for posting that for any melee players that happen in here. You make an excellent point, and I couldn't agree with you more about the skill level of a lot of melee players. They're not used to positioning, and only a few are used to the idea of triggering abilities at the right time. The 4-5 healers was set based on the MP costs to cure 1 tank though. If it had been based on curing a whole party of (bad) DPS it would have had to be more healers than that!

You are right, you are gonna need more healers for bad players, but this game doesn't caters for bad players only casuals and casuals doesn't equal to bad players. If bad players doesn't evolve into good players then they doesn't deserve a spot because they are wasting other's time.

and that video only has 3 healers with 2 nuking and DoT'ing, chatlog is there.

[Neptune]

You are right, you are gonna need more healers for bad players, but this game doesn't caters for bad players only casuals and casuals doesn't equal to bad players. If bad players doesn't evolve into good players then they doesn't deserve a spot because they are wasting other's time.

and that video only has 3 healers with 2 nuking and DoT'ing, chatlog is there.

I don't want you to think I somehow condone taking 4-5 healers or even think that is it rational. It's irrational, but it's what masses of players did because of the game design change. My only point is how game design affected that particular player behavior.

[Chardrizard]

I don't want you to think I somehow condone taking 4-5 healers or even think that is it rational. It's irrational, but it's what masses of players did because of the game design change. My only point is how game design affected that particular player behavior.

4-5 healers in the run you pointed out earlier wasnt to cure 1 tank, it was to nuke and participate in BR, they were invited as long-range-DPS. Yes, i agree this has affected player behavior in a way or another (long range dps favor), but imo reducing MP cost again doesn't help this cause, other than making it easier.

It definitely doesn't help any of bad close range dps (the masses we're talking about) because mages will incurs enmity from curing them so much.