Anima Weapons. Putting things into perspective.

[Ibi]

Ikr, may as well count the Doman weapns.

I mean if we want to exclude content, we can just say all the weapons are valid. let's include law, poetics, soldiery, shiva, etc. etc.. I mean they can do some content.

I can even do the current expert roulettes with an i90 weapon if I wanted - and succeed.

For someone who can't clear or hasn't yet cleared Sephirot Extreme or invested the necessary time to complete a relic (which is a substantial portion of the player base), the esoterics weapon is (until at least next week) their best available option. The same is not true of the Law, Poetics, etc. weapons.

[Whiteroom]

For someone who can't clear or hasn't yet cleared Sephirot Extreme or invested the necessary time to complete a relic, the esoterics weapon is (until at least next week) their best available option. The same is not true of the Law, Poetics, etc. weapons.

The 210 relic also, that still doesn't qualify it as being included in the next tiers weapon grouping.

[Kaurie]

For someone who can't clear or hasn't yet cleared Sephirot Extreme or invested the necessary time to complete a relic (which is a substantial portion of the player base), the esoterics weapon is (until at least next week) their best available option. The same is not true of the Law, Poetics, etc. weapons.

That isn't the point, the point is that the Lore weapon is the weapon of this tier alongside the relic/raid. Esoterics is the last tier weapon which can be used until you catch up to this tier.

The 210 relic also, that still doesn't qualify it as being included in the next tiers weapon grouping.

exactly

[Ibi]

The 210 relic also, that still doesn't qualify it as being included in the next tiers weapon grouping.

Most people don't even have a i210 anima though. It wouldn't surprise me if there are more people with Sephirot weapons. That's certainly the case among the people I know.

That's what the "invested the necessary time to complete a relic" in the section you quoted was attempting to convey.

For what's likely the majority of the player base, the upgraded esoterics weapon is likely the best weapon they have (or have access to) until at least next week.

That isn't the point, the point is that the Lore weapon is the weapon of this tier alongside the relic/raid. Esoterics is the last tier weapon which can be used until you catch up to this tier.

What Whocareswhatmynameis was that the esoterics weapon is currently a valid weapon choice. At no point did he or she say that it was a final goal to aim for.

Given the number of people who are currently using them, I'm not sure I see what the problem with his or her statement was.

[Whiteroom]

Most people don't even have a i210 anima though. It wouldn't surprise me if there are more people with Sephirot weapons. That's certainly the case among the people I know.

That's what the "invested the necessary time to complete a relic" in the section you quoted was attempting to convey.

For what's likely the majority of the player base, the upgraded esoterics weapon is likely the best weapon they have (or have access to) until at least next week.

Can you link where most people don't have one, almost everyone I run into on that tier has one. I have 2.5 of them without much effort, multiple people in my FC have 2-3 of them.

[Ibi]

Can you link where most people don't have one, almost everyone I run into on that tier has one. I have 2.5 of them without much effort, multiple people in my FC have 2-3 of them.

Unfortunately, there's no easy way to query the Lodestone for achievements, so no, I can't provide anything empirical.

But to counter your anecdotal evidence with my own anecdotal evidence, almost no one I run into has one, and the majority of people in my FC haven't completed even one (and I don't think anyone's finished multiples).

Edit: Closest I can find to actual evidence is this Straw Poll, which suggests that only 45% of players responded even intended to complete one on a casual basis.

I suspect people were directed to the poll via either reddit or the official forums, which likely means they're already a less casual subset of the player base than any random slice would be, meaning they're probably also more likely than your average player to work on something that requires a time commitment on the scale of the anima weapons. But that's just speculation on my part.

[Kaurie]

@Ibi and @Whocareswhatmynameis

I accept your premise and I guess I misunderstood and figured you meant the current tier of weapons - and for a weapon to work towards.


In regards to the main topic - I think that this stage of the relic is great and the last one sucks.

[Ibi]

@Ibi and @Whocareswhatmynameis

I accept your premise and I guess I misunderstood and figured you meant the current tier of weapons - and for a weapon to work towards.


In regards to the main topic - I think that this stage of the relic is great and the last one sucks.

Agreed all around.

[Whiteroom]

Unfortunately, there's no easy way to query the Lodestone for achievements, so no, I can't provide anything empirical.

But to counter your anecdotal evidence with my own anecdotal evidence, almost no one I run into has one, and the majority of people in my FC haven't completed even one (and I don't think anyone's finished multiples).
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You may have missed the point of my using anecdotal evidence there. It was purely becasue you made a claim to support your view with no backing at all for it.

[Ibi]

You may have missed the point of my using anecdotal evidence there. It was purely becasue you made a claim to support your view with no backing at all for it.

Setting aside my personal experiences, I didn't think it was a very large leap of logic to figure that the majority of the player base, based on the general design of the game, clear rates for difficult content, and adjustments that have been made even to content that wasn't particularly challenging (e.g. Steps of Fate) is very casual, and likely to not invest themselves in a process that's fifty hours long at an absolute minimum. Never mind the overwhelming amount of feedback on the matter that can be seen here, on reddit, or anywhere else around the internet.

Bear in mind that when SE originally provided the graphic with the number of people that had cleared Gordias normal, they mentioned that it was about 50% of the active players. If half the player base isn't even doing that, I think it's a pretty safe assumption that they're not finishing an Anima weapon.

That aside, take a look at the Straw Poll that I provided the link to, which provides some evidence.