Please Add no bonus option for PF

[Ashkendor]

This kinda attitude is what ruins Raids in FF, people being self entitled that they demand everyone be so good they never make a mistake, the raids have become so easier compared to Sephi ex that people just think once you clear you can never make a mistake.

Also the more people who clear the better as it shows to SE that this content is just the right difficulty, the less players doing it will result in a nerf.

Nah, it's not that. People are getting the mistaken impression that raiders in general think our shit doesn't stink and we never mess up. I'll be the first to say that I have Sephirot on farm and I still screw up from time to time. An honest mistake is an honest mistake. We all make them. That's completely different from someone having no idea what to do past the adds, though.

I'm willing to take people with a bonus message at their word that they've been to 5% or enrage or whatever. I'm willing to take them on a farm run but if after a few pulls it's clear they have no clue what they're doing, they get a boot to the ass and get put on my blacklist as well for lying. I'd still love to see this option in Party Finder because I have run into many people that join parties explicitly labeled as "farm run, know the fight" without having the first clue about anything in there and just hoping for a carry. Sorry, but no. If I'm farming, I'm not there to give myself a headache explaining everything to some dude that won't even pull up a 10 minute video on Youtube or a backache carrying dead weight through the fight. It would still be possible for those 5%'ers to join, simply by sending a tell to the party leader. Most of us are pretty reasonable and understand that it happens sometimes.

In short, if I want to teach I join a learning or clear party. I'm always willing to teach friends (and friends of friends, lol) and people in my FC. As for carrying, I'll carry friends and paying customers, not freeloading sneakthieves that try to sabotage my farming. I have a serious dislike for people that lie like that when I'm willing to help with learning if people only expend the effort to try.

Great! You want to set arbitrary rules, then that's your deal. I just don't want the game mechanic itself to be working against the players. There's no rule that states a new player is automatically going to suck, but if you automatically assume so then that's your problem.

Just don't try to make it anyone else's problem.

The fact of the matter is that someone that's cleared the fight is way more likely to know the fight than someone that hasn't. The only real exceptions are 1) someone that paid for a clear/got carried by friends and 2) someone that's been to enrage but hasn't quite cleared yet. Aside from those two exceptions (which seem to be a pretty small minority in my experience) the vast majority of people that have cleared are going to know the fight better than people that haven't cleared. I don't see why this is suddenly an "arbitrary rule" to want people on your skill level to farm with and why you seem to think it's such an awful thing to want to be able to make a Party Finder option that would filter out those players that are just looking for a carry.

[ruskie]

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While I like your attitude and I have gotten a clear or two in a farm run. I did put in the effort on my own to learn the fight and practice it.
Why if a party leader ever asks - hey there's someone with so and so % asking to join I'll always be for it. Often enough that person will be doing a lot better than most of the people on farm and do less mistakes in the end.

Thordan especially was fun in this... we've had farms and then we had "farms" where you wiped for an hour for one clear - with people that 5 minutes before executed everything flawlessly...