Please Add no bonus option for PF

[MXMoondoggie]

Lets not even get into the fact that someone joining a farm party that well you know can't farm it is essentially saying to 7 other people. carry me.

I think that's most people who start farm parties and push up requirements for it. It more or less says "I am starting this party even though I don't know the fight well enough or have the capability to be a leader in the slightest.

Inclusiveness benefits everyone in the end because the pool of people who are competent or can beat content gets that much bigger. Not everyone will be capable but there is no way to measure before if they are certainly not by just knowing they have a clear or not. I feel a lot of thoughts about this can be counter productive because some like the idea of being in a small group of people with experience at content and they want to farm with that small group. It's not everyone just as not everyone who hasn't finished content is bad some people feel intimidated by the idea of joining groups because of the language used in the PF ad. Some others will just join any group trying to get a clear and will eventually find a way through even if they were no help at all. Would you rather have somebody who lets others do all the work and screws up but has cleared because a group didn't kick them or would you have somebody who is new but willing to listen and learn from more experienced players?

[Fynlar]

It's unlikely that SE is going to add a DF/PF option for what basically amounts to "new players are not allowed to come and try to beat their content"

This game has enough problems with elitism as it is without them encouraging it further.

[Singularity]

Yes, there exist people that got carried through the fight or otherwise have the clear yet cannot perform. The converse is also true: there will be those that can execute every mechanic perfectly while doing their job well, yet for some reason or another don't have the clear.

But these are the exceptions, not the rule.

Adding an option as suggested in the OP would improve the chances of making that rarest of things: a PF farm group that is actually able to farm. I agree it wouldn't be bulletproof, but it would prevent a great deal of grief and wipes/disbands.

To add to the suggestion, it should of course only be selectable if everyone in the party at the time of the PF creation has the clear.

[Odett]

It's unlikely that SE is going to add a DF/PF option for what basically amounts to "new players are not allowed to come and try to beat their content"

This game has enough problems with elitism as it is without them encouraging it further.

A farm party is not meant for new players to join and learn the content. A farm implies that you've cleared tv fight before and know how to handle every mechanic for repeated wins. If you join a party while not meeting the expectations set by the PF leader, you're only getting in the way, elitism has absolutely nothing to do with it. Much like the person who rage quite after 3 wipes in a learning party is a jackass, so is the one who doesn't know what they're doing and sneaks into a farm.

[MXMoondoggie]

unfortunately there is no way to get around sometimes playing with people who have a mental function barely above that of a potato. People who are new are fine a lot of people can be taught quite easily if you don't have a chip on your shoulder and hate everyone who doesn't perform to how you demand even if you don't. A bit of patience can often easily get you through a situation with new people unfortunately sometimes it's a waste lol.

[Odett]

is 5 minutes (assuming you wipe) really that important to you?

is giving someone a chance to clear who maybe has spent days learning the fight but has had bad luck with pf groups that much a burden? if they fail and you can pin the fail on them, Yeah, that person lied, Kick them. worst case scenario, you wasted 5 minutes.

We both know that there is a difference between someone who hasn't cleared but knows the fight and sends a tell to the PF leader explaining their situation, and someone who hasn't even been to the last phase and sneaking into the group. It's up to the PF leader to make that decision, not up to the person joining while knowing they don't meet the requirements set by the party.

[Odett]

Sorry for double posting, can't edit on phone. (Continuation from my last post). It's not always 5 minutes either. It's the time spent to find 7 other people, wipe when it's glaringly obvious that someone doesn't know the fight, which not only results in your own death in SephEX, but almost always the death of others, back out, kick the person who wrongfully joined the farm party, and then potentially risk other people leaving and go back to square one and restart the recruiting process.

[Nora_of_Mira]

Sorry for double posting, can't edit on phone. (Continuation from my last post). It's not always 5 minutes either. It's the time spent to find 7 other people, wipe when it's glaringly obvious that someone doesn't know the fight, which not only results in your own death in SephEX, but almost always the death of others, back out, kick the person who wrongfully joined the farm party, and then potentially risk other people leaving and go back to square one and restart the recruiting process.

Hm, yeah, I could see the party reforming being a waste. I don't create pf that often, that' a good point. I'll try sending tells to leaders because like you said, theres a grey area for people like me who haven't cleared yet.

[Lambdafish]

Hm, yeah, I could see the party reforming being a waste. I don't create pf that often, that' a good point. I'll try sending tells to leaders because like you said, theres a grey area for people like me who haven't cleared yet.

Sending tells works a lot if you are in the right place for it. My raid leader does this a lot, he says that as a healer, saying: "I've seen to enrage and meeting it isn't my job" tends to work quite well. Even as a tank (PLD more so than WAR), this worked for me.

Communication and respect goes a long way