Please Add no bonus option for PF

[Andrea]

Eh i give up, only a few of us see this as a tool to split the entitled from those who wish to clear it...just because you haven't done it doesn't mean you do not know the fight..you do not know how many times someone has done it so how can you instantly judge them as being incompetent at the fight?

No one is saying that just cause you havent finished the fight doesnt mean you don't know the fight.

Hell the majority of players who start these parties are fine if you send a tell informing them of your status on the fight. Some may not take you but most will.

Its not about not clearing it, its just a method of usually getting quicker clears because, lets be honest for ever 1 that hasn't cleared and could help farm there are 9 other who cant. So this would ensure less need to kick those that try to sneak their way in.

[ScarletDawn]

No one is saying that just cause you havent finished the fight doesnt mean you don't know the fight.

Hell the majority of players who start these parties are fine if you send a tell informing them of your status on the fight. Some may not take you but most will.

Its not about not clearing it, its just a method of usually getting quicker clears because, lets be honest for ever 1 that hasn't cleared and could help farm there are 9 other who cant. So this would ensure less need to kick those that try to sneak their way in.

You dont know some of the people on my server its kinda horrible when people start yelling at each other after 1 wipe...i dont get why people cant accept this is a very hard primal fight. Maybe it should show up who hasnt finished the fight rather then say there is a bonus.

[Ashkendor]

The majority of raiders use a pre made group of 8 people so whats the point in adding the no bonus filter? The whole idea is to find 8 ppl that work together, there is no way a sephi ex run clears perfectly without voice coms.

You can't always get a full party, so people frequently pug for 1-2 spots in PF even when going premade. Yes there's always some adjustment of tactics (it often causes a couple of wipes before a clear while people get used to the strat we're using) but that's completely different than someone that just plain doesn't know what they're doing. This option isn't being made to exclude anyone, because those people are already excluded. The system just doesn't back it up and we're forced to take people at their word. If people didn't lie, it wouldn't be an issue. The party description quite clearly says that we want someone that knows the content. If someone joins the party with a bonus, we aren't taking them for a clear unless that person knows the fight, they've talked to the leader beforehand, and there's some kind of an agreement there. If someone joins the party knowing absolutely nothing about the fight and just looking for a carry, they're just proving that they can exploit the way the system works in order to sneak in. We're basically looking for more rigid system support in the Party Finder to prevent would-be freeloaders from wasting our time.

Because no one joins training groups...they see practice and don't bother.

I actually join them pretty frequently to help out or to learn a new role in the fight, as do plenty of other people I know.

Why should the party have to wipe first though? These types of PFs are in PF all the time, adding this would just make it easy for those that set up those parties.

Exactly. It would be an enormous time-saver.

[Lethallin]

I really don't get people vehemently against this.

You seem to be making arguments against PF Farm parties excluding people that haven't done it before. That's not really the topic at hand. The topic is about a tool which would, as many others stated before, prevent people from lying about if they did it already or not.

What's the gripe? Would you prefer farm parties form, go in, see the message, everyone gets pissed at whoever the potential 'leecher' is that lied their way in, and then disband?

This obviously wouldn't affect learning parties, which form and sometimes actually succeed anyway.

[ScarletDawn]

Because no one joins training groups...they see practice and don't bother.

[Odett]

Because no one joins training groups...they see practice and don't bother.

I make practice and clear groups all the time. Please try again. It's still not your right to join a farm party when you are not fit to farm. You talk about self-entitlement but think it's ok to hijack a group without consulting the PF leader beforehand without meeting the requirements set.

[Lambdafish]

Because no one joins training groups...they see practice and don't bother.

So you are saying that lying is acceptable? Also, I have been in many learning groups, they are fine, maybe you are joining at the wrong time of day. Alternatively, make some friends, and even if you don't have all 8 people, PF groups are more attractive the fuller they are. PLEASE do not lie to a group, and please don't come here trying to justify it as acceptable, because it is not.

[Andrea]

Because no one joins training groups...they see practice and don't bother.

Do you feel that gives people the right to join those that are farming the fight then?

[Lethallin]

Because no one joins training groups...they see practice and don't bother.

And not implementing this would help that separate situation out... how? Most farm parties DON'T continue on after getting that message, so people aren't getting their clears from those.

[Jamillion]

So I get where the OP is coming from, but if the party wipes consistently because of one scrub they should be easy enough to identify. If there are multiple scrubs then it isn't really a farm party, is it?