Please Add no bonus option for PF

[Lambdafish]

For those against this system, there is already a divide in the community, you have easy content and hard content. This is system doesnt divide, it categorises, its asks if you meet the requirements to reliably pull your weight in the party, SE can't dictate that, so the party lead should be able to. Basically, this system makes sure that you get the players that you want in your party finder, if you don't like that, make your own party finder with your own conditions.

To add to this, I would also like the condition of beating the stone sky sea dummy (if joining on a DPS or tank).

Edit: perhaps we could see bigger changes to the PF system in that you can set the run type to learning, progression, clear, or farm, and that adds restrictions like no first time bonus and dummy. (so you can't have a learning party with no first time bonus for example)

[Odett]

Would you rather have somebody who lets others do all the work and screws up but has cleared because a group didn't kick them or would you have somebody who is new but willing to listen and learn from more experienced players?

If making or joining a farm party, which is what this post is about, I'd rather have someone who knows mechanics and can fulfill what the other 7 group members are setting out to do, which is farm. If I am not confident in joining a farm, I will make a learning party and say what phase I would like the group to practice on. You don't join a farm party and try to turn it into a "please teach me " party, because you're changing the objective originally sought out by the party leader.

[Namida-Hikari]

OMG ! I really hope S.E. will never do such thing... There is too much elitism already. Those silly "ONE FAIL=KICK+BLACKLIST" is not enough for you...? Plus, PF is full of those "i'm selling, bla bla bla" things, I really miss the time when DF and PF were not there. People were way much respectfull of others and players were less suffering from the virus of elitist EGO...

[Xlantaa]

If someone has not bonus he still can fail. And someone with bonus doesn't mean they don't know the fight. There are a lot of people who know perfectly the fight, but has bad luck on parties. I don't understand why in a MMO game where you play with other people need discriminate everything. You have no idea if someone is capable or not of doing things unless you know him or you see him in action. No bonus means nothing, says nothing.

Square Enix give us mounts to keep the parties going to the old extremes and have always people availiable for those who come after... and they found "no bonus" in all f****g PFs, and new people cannot join because they have bonus, and they cannot down it never. Yeah, I see how it works... (And please, don't come with the "make a learn party", no one join that on old content).

Next thing people will ask is "Please, don't allow new people join game, his is only for experts". Sigh.

I know I sound agressive, but I'm very sensible with this theme.

[Singularity]

You have no idea if someone is capable or not of doing things unless you know him or you see him in action. No bonus means nothing, says nothing.

That's not true at all. If someone has cleared, then they probably know the fight. If someone hasn't cleared, then they probably don't know the whole thing (at least not well enough to farm).

I agree you can't be certain, but it would cover the majority of players, and the existing tools cover the edge cases.

[Odett]

I know I sound agressive, but I very sensible with this theme.

Are you, really? Look at it from the other side for a little moment. Content is released and we make learning parties. We do this continuously and often and spend the entire time not only learning the fight ourselves, but also getting others caught up to the phases that we need practice in, until we finally beat it. Are you telling people that it's ok that they spend time doing this, but when they want to find 7 other like-minded players, it's selfish or elitist? We're not always here to teach, sometimes we wish to reliably down content, and that requires people who know what they're doing. It's true that some people know a fight but have had bad luck with groups, but that's where communication comes in; talk to the PF leader. The answer is not to join a group that you don't meet the objectives for, and try to turn it into a "please teach me party".

[Xlantaa]

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Maybe I was too extreme here, my apologies. But what I mean is, if you see the bonus message, doesn't mean the this guy will fuck all the party. People quit without try 1 time at least. I know al ot of poeple who never down it, but he knos the fight to 5% Hp, he doesn't deserve try at least? I had bonus people on my PF before, some of them lied and don't know nothing, some of them are good ,and we did it because we give him a chance. But also, I had the opposite, people with the down, no bonus, that has no idea what he is doing. Like me, a lot of people. THat's why put "no bnus" means nothing.

[Lambdafish]

Maybe I was too extreme here, my apologies. But what I mean is, if you see the bonus message, doesn't mean the this guy will fuck all the party. People quit without try 1 time at least. I know al ot of poeple who never down it, but he knos the fight to 5% Hp, he doesn't deserve try at least? I had bonus people on my PF before, some of them lied and don't know nothing, some of them are good ,and we did it because we give him a chance. But also, I had the opposite, people with the down, no bonus, that has no idea what he is doing. Like me, a lot of people. THat's why put "no bnus" means nothing.

The point of the post actually prevents that. The reason that people get angry is because of misinformation. Why should the group help someone clear when they lied and said they already have the clear. If you told the PT that you dont have the clear, and they let you in anyway, then there is no issue, that happens a lot, and is great. The issue comes with lying and sabotaging parties. Which this is there to prevent. Everyone wins

[Dramatic]

Recently I've been trying to get the last 2 ponies I need for Kirin. Ifrit and Leviathan. Every time I set up a PF people who are not only new, but do not know the fight join. Not only that, but also people who can't speak English, with my PF marked English only also join, making explaining next to impossible. Normally I wouldn't mind too much but these two fights require you to curb DPS at certain points else you wipe. Ifrit was bad enough with the DPS who didn't understand 'stop attacking', I'm dreading Leviathan.

I'm not 'elitist' in any way, but I have limited play time and don't appreciate it being wasted by people who aren't honest.

[Lambdafish]

I'm not 'elitist' in any way, but I have limited play time and don't appreciate it being wasted by people who aren't honest.

This is the worst part. It is not elitist to expect to be able to farm content you have cleared many times. It IS entitled to expect someone to get you a clear when you join THEIR farm party. When I see the word elitist on an issue like this, I facepalm