Please Add no bonus option for PF

[Lambdafish]

Maybe I was too extreme here, my apologies. But what I mean is, if you see the bonus message, doesn't mean the this guy will fuck all the party. People quit without try 1 time at least. I know al ot of poeple who never down it, but he knos the fight to 5% Hp, he doesn't deserve try at least? I had bonus people on my PF before, some of them lied and don't know nothing, some of them are good ,and we did it because we give him a chance. But also, I had the opposite, people with the down, no bonus, that has no idea what he is doing. Like me, a lot of people. THat's why put "no bnus" means nothing.

The point of the post actually prevents that. The reason that people get angry is because of misinformation. Why should the group help someone clear when they lied and said they already have the clear. If you told the PT that you dont have the clear, and they let you in anyway, then there is no issue, that happens a lot, and is great. The issue comes with lying and sabotaging parties. Which this is there to prevent. Everyone wins

[Singularity]

You have no idea if someone is capable or not of doing things unless you know him or you see him in action. No bonus means nothing, says nothing.

That's not true at all. If someone has cleared, then they probably know the fight. If someone hasn't cleared, then they probably don't know the whole thing (at least not well enough to farm).

I agree you can't be certain, but it would cover the majority of players, and the existing tools cover the edge cases.

[Dramatic]

Recently I've been trying to get the last 2 ponies I need for Kirin. Ifrit and Leviathan. Every time I set up a PF people who are not only new, but do not know the fight join. Not only that, but also people who can't speak English, with my PF marked English only also join, making explaining next to impossible. Normally I wouldn't mind too much but these two fights require you to curb DPS at certain points else you wipe. Ifrit was bad enough with the DPS who didn't understand 'stop attacking', I'm dreading Leviathan.

I'm not 'elitist' in any way, but I have limited play time and don't appreciate it being wasted by people who aren't honest.

[Lambdafish]

I'm not 'elitist' in any way, but I have limited play time and don't appreciate it being wasted by people who aren't honest.

This is the worst part. It is not elitist to expect to be able to farm content you have cleared many times. It IS entitled to expect someone to get you a clear when you join THEIR farm party. When I see the word elitist on an issue like this, I facepalm

[ScarletDawn]

i find those who have cleared or gotten to Part 3 often tend to mess up more then people who have watched a video or started learning the fight, because they come all high and mighty thinking once they clear they will auto clear each time. Really annoys ppl who still havnt cleared because you get self entitled (insert word) in your group always blaming those who have the bonus as the one to blame when it was them who messed up that mechanic...

[Alistaire]

I see.... Anyway it's useless what you want OP. Like someone said before , some will still suck even when they cleared it. Bonus or not , less skill players wil still come.

So because you can't rule out all bad players with the suggestion it's no use at all? Great logic.

[LunaSnowfield]

>Haven't clear Sephirot extreme after so many tries.
>Joins a "Farm party sephirot no baddies no idiots don't waste people time be serious 1 mistake and you get kicked "
>Does everything right but people who already got their clears and their cute achievements still dying on P2 or wombo combo.
>Asks if we're going to handle adds 331331
>everyone is like " ???? "
>Leaves and waits until SE nerfs Sephirot.

Balmung is full of elitists(baddies) ***holes that deserve to die already.

[ScarletDawn]

>Haven't clear Sephirot extreme after so many tries.
>Joins a "Farm party sephirot no baddies no idiots don't waste people time be serious 1 mistake and you get kicked "
>Does everything right but people who already got their clears and their cute achievements still dying on P2 or wombo combo.
>Asks if we're going to handle adds 331331
>everyone is like " ???? "
>Leaves and waits until SE nerfs Sephirot.

Balmung is full of elitists(baddies) ***holes that deserve to die already.

Exact same thing on Lich, then everyone blames the new players who didnt mess any mechanics...yep i find its the ones who have cleared or done it so much they just get to complacent.

[Lambdafish]

>Haven't clear Sephirot extreme after so many tries.
>Joins a "Farm party sephirot no baddies no idiots don't waste people time be serious 1 mistake and you get kicked "
>Does everything right but people who already got their clears and their cute achievements still dying on P2 or wombo combo.
>Asks if we're going to handle adds 331331
>everyone is like " ???? "
>Leaves and waits until SE nerfs Sephirot.

To be fair, this is kinda irrelevant to the issue, and I had the same thing with the Bismark DPS check back in the day. The solution is to create your own PF with your own rules or make friends and do the content that way. You cannot gate someone sucking if they got carried (the game cant tell the difference), but if you have the clear, there is a much higher chance that you understand the fight, and what we are trying to weed out is liars and time wasters, not people like yourself.

If you are joining farm parties, be honest and let them know where you are at, let them know that you understand the fight completely and that they should kick you if they arent satisfied, this works especially well because you are a tank, and it is extreamly difficult to carry a tank (i.e. if you mess up, its a wipe).

Also:

Balmung is full of elitists(baddies) ***holes that deserve to die already.

Saying this makes you part of the problem, it's not your PF, you don't get to dictate what happens within it.

[ScarletDawn]

To be fair, this is kinda irrelevant to the issue, and I had the same thing with the Bismark DPS check back in the day. The solution is to create your own PF with your own rules or make friends and do the content that way. You cannot gate someone sucking if they got carried (the game cant tell the difference), but if you have the clear, there is a much higher chance that you understand the fight, and what we are trying to weed out is liars and time wasters, not people like yourself.

This kinda attitude is what ruins Raids in FF, people being self entitled that they demand everyone be so good they never make a mistake, the raids have become so easier compared to Sephi ex that people just think once you clear you can never make a mistake.

Also the more people who clear the better as it shows to SE that this content is just the right difficulty, the less players doing it will result in a nerf.