Please Add no bonus option for PF

[Odett]

Sorry for double posting, can't edit on phone. (Continuation from my last post). It's not always 5 minutes either. It's the time spent to find 7 other people, wipe when it's glaringly obvious that someone doesn't know the fight, which not only results in your own death in SephEX, but almost always the death of others, back out, kick the person who wrongfully joined the farm party, and then potentially risk other people leaving and go back to square one and restart the recruiting process.

[Lambdafish]

For those against this system, there is already a divide in the community, you have easy content and hard content. This is system doesnt divide, it categorises, its asks if you meet the requirements to reliably pull your weight in the party, SE can't dictate that, so the party lead should be able to. Basically, this system makes sure that you get the players that you want in your party finder, if you don't like that, make your own party finder with your own conditions.

To add to this, I would also like the condition of beating the stone sky sea dummy (if joining on a DPS or tank).

Edit: perhaps we could see bigger changes to the PF system in that you can set the run type to learning, progression, clear, or farm, and that adds restrictions like no first time bonus and dummy. (so you can't have a learning party with no first time bonus for example)

[Odett]

Would you rather have somebody who lets others do all the work and screws up but has cleared because a group didn't kick them or would you have somebody who is new but willing to listen and learn from more experienced players?

If making or joining a farm party, which is what this post is about, I'd rather have someone who knows mechanics and can fulfill what the other 7 group members are setting out to do, which is farm. If I am not confident in joining a farm, I will make a learning party and say what phase I would like the group to practice on. You don't join a farm party and try to turn it into a "please teach me " party, because you're changing the objective originally sought out by the party leader.

[Nora_of_Mira]

Sorry for double posting, can't edit on phone. (Continuation from my last post). It's not always 5 minutes either. It's the time spent to find 7 other people, wipe when it's glaringly obvious that someone doesn't know the fight, which not only results in your own death in SephEX, but almost always the death of others, back out, kick the person who wrongfully joined the farm party, and then potentially risk other people leaving and go back to square one and restart the recruiting process.

Hm, yeah, I could see the party reforming being a waste. I don't create pf that often, that' a good point. I'll try sending tells to leaders because like you said, theres a grey area for people like me who haven't cleared yet.

[Namida-Hikari]

OMG ! I really hope S.E. will never do such thing... There is too much elitism already. Those silly "ONE FAIL=KICK+BLACKLIST" is not enough for you...? Plus, PF is full of those "i'm selling, bla bla bla" things, I really miss the time when DF and PF were not there. People were way much respectfull of others and players were less suffering from the virus of elitist EGO...

[Lambdafish]

Hm, yeah, I could see the party reforming being a waste. I don't create pf that often, that' a good point. I'll try sending tells to leaders because like you said, theres a grey area for people like me who haven't cleared yet.

Sending tells works a lot if you are in the right place for it. My raid leader does this a lot, he says that as a healer, saying: "I've seen to enrage and meeting it isn't my job" tends to work quite well. Even as a tank (PLD more so than WAR), this worked for me.

Communication and respect goes a long way

[Xlantaa]

If someone has not bonus he still can fail. And someone with bonus doesn't mean they don't know the fight. There are a lot of people who know perfectly the fight, but has bad luck on parties. I don't understand why in a MMO game where you play with other people need discriminate everything. You have no idea if someone is capable or not of doing things unless you know him or you see him in action. No bonus means nothing, says nothing.

Square Enix give us mounts to keep the parties going to the old extremes and have always people availiable for those who come after... and they found "no bonus" in all f****g PFs, and new people cannot join because they have bonus, and they cannot down it never. Yeah, I see how it works... (And please, don't come with the "make a learn party", no one join that on old content).

Next thing people will ask is "Please, don't allow new people join game, his is only for experts". Sigh.

I know I sound agressive, but I'm very sensible with this theme.

[Odett]

I know I sound agressive, but I very sensible with this theme.

Are you, really? Look at it from the other side for a little moment. Content is released and we make learning parties. We do this continuously and often and spend the entire time not only learning the fight ourselves, but also getting others caught up to the phases that we need practice in, until we finally beat it. Are you telling people that it's ok that they spend time doing this, but when they want to find 7 other like-minded players, it's selfish or elitist? We're not always here to teach, sometimes we wish to reliably down content, and that requires people who know what they're doing. It's true that some people know a fight but have had bad luck with groups, but that's where communication comes in; talk to the PF leader. The answer is not to join a group that you don't meet the objectives for, and try to turn it into a "please teach me party".

[Xlantaa]

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Maybe I was too extreme here, my apologies. But what I mean is, if you see the bonus message, doesn't mean the this guy will fuck all the party. People quit without try 1 time at least. I know al ot of poeple who never down it, but he knos the fight to 5% Hp, he doesn't deserve try at least? I had bonus people on my PF before, some of them lied and don't know nothing, some of them are good ,and we did it because we give him a chance. But also, I had the opposite, people with the down, no bonus, that has no idea what he is doing. Like me, a lot of people. THat's why put "no bnus" means nothing.

[Andrea]

is 5 minutes (assuming you wipe) really that important to you?

is giving someone a chance to clear who maybe has spent days learning the fight but has had bad luck with pf groups that much a burden? if they fail and you can pin the fail on them, Yeah, that person lied, Kick them. worst case scenario, you wasted 5 minutes.

Is sending a tell mentioning that you haven't cleared it and asking if you can join which takes about a minute really too much for you?

No one said they cannot send a tell and say their situation but to flat out assume people will let you join is rude.