Please Add no bonus option for PF

[SuperZay]

That message was placed in the system in order for party's to know if they have new players in the content and for the other players to give them direction in order for everyone to be in the same page. The system was not designed for players to alienate other players because that new bonus message comes up.

Bonus message hurts new players much more than helps unless it's a faceroll dungeon or story trial.
But, then again, before bonus message system people were asking to link achievements or gear from clears so removing it will solve nothing.
What needs to be done is more learning parties like on JP servers so everyone could find their progression or farm goals.

[RyuSaarva]

more importantly add a option which does not allow people to join who can't beat the fight without being 100 item levels too high for it.

[Lemuria]

"Let's find as many ways as we can to divide the community and tell people they suck." ... sheesh, I know bad player can be a drag sometimes but people don't magically get better without trying. This community thinks that unless you're gods-gift to gaming you don't deserve a spot on a team.

Please file this suggestion under 'burn it with fire'. Thank you.

[CorbinDallas]

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You clearly don't get it, at all. If I want to make a farm party, that means that in my PF, I want people who have cleared the fight at least once, preferably more than that.

You think the 6 others with the same idea of going in and farming it are gonna be happy when Mr HiIHaven'tGotPastPhase1 rocks up with his bonus. You think we're gonna be able to complete our personal objective?

Call us selfish, but deliberately wasting the time of 7 other people takes the cake.

[Lemuria]

You clearly don't get it, at all. If I want to make a farm party, that means that in my PF, I want people who have cleared the fight at least once, preferably more than that.

Great! You want to set arbitrary rules, then that's your deal. I just don't want the game mechanic itself to be working against the players. There's no rule that states a new player is automatically going to suck, but if you automatically assume so then that's your problem.

Just don't try to make it anyone else's problem.

[CorbinDallas]

There's no rule that states a new player is automatically going to suck, but if you automatically assume so then that's your problem.

But you see, wee little Popoto, should someone who happens to have a bonus, but has been to enrage, /tells me and asks me if they can join, I will consider it. I have done in the past with Thordan EX, my static got to enrage consistently, next day I asked a farm group if I could come in and get my clear and stay and farm for a while. They said yes.

Communication is the problem, not the "assumption that people with bonus suck". You snake into my farm PF with a bonus without saying anything, damn right I'm gonna be pissed. Yes you might be good, but that's not the point. The point is that in my PF requirements I stated you should have cleared the fight before joining this group. If you're gonna ignore a simple request out of spite and jealousy, you're the one with the problem, not me.

[Andrea]

"Let's find as many ways as we can to divide the community and tell people they suck." ... sheesh, I know bad player can be a drag sometimes but people don't magically get better without trying. This community thinks that unless you're gods-gift to gaming you don't deserve a spot on a team.

Please file this suggestion under 'burn it with fire'. Thank you.

I want to create a farm party with people who have cleared the fight before and therefore shouldn't require learning it while we are attempting to farm it.

Unfortunately for me Lemuria believes that they should be allowed in to mess up in a farm party because they, "dont magically get better without trying"

Lets not even get into the fact that someone joining a farm party that well you know can't farm it is essentially saying to 7 other people. carry me.

[Nora_of_Mira]

I want to create a farm party with people who have cleared the fight before and therefore shouldn't require learning it while we are attempting to farm it.

Unfortunately for me Lemuria believes that they should be allowed in to mess up in a farm party because they, "dont magically get better without trying"

Lets not even get into the fact that someone joining a farm party that well you know can't farm it is essentially saying to 7 other people. carry me.

is 5 minutes (assuming you wipe) really that important to you?

is giving someone a chance to clear who maybe has spent days learning the fight but has had bad luck with pf groups that much a burden? if they fail and you can pin the fail on them, Yeah, that person lied, Kick them. worst case scenario, you wasted 5 minutes.

[Andrea]

is 5 minutes (assuming you wipe) really that important to you?

is giving someone a chance to clear who maybe has spent days learning the fight but has had bad luck with pf groups that much a burden? if they fail and you can pin the fail on them, Yeah, that person lied, Kick them. worst case scenario, you wasted 5 minutes.

Is sending a tell mentioning that you haven't cleared it and asking if you can join which takes about a minute really too much for you?

No one said they cannot send a tell and say their situation but to flat out assume people will let you join is rude.