add an in game parser please!!!

[RocheKat]

A chat box promotes bad behaviour, we need to remove this from the game ASAP. Without the chat box there will be no way people can be meanies.

A chat box is required for the game to function at a basic level. A parser is not.

Sorry but I have played WoW so I know exactly where dps addons go. It is not needed, it will only make the community worse... why waste resources? If you are skilled at any level where a parser may help you should be able to figure out if you are doing good damage or not. If you are not skilled then a parer isn't going to help because you haven't even figured out the basic rotation.

[Colorful]

A chat box is required for the game to function at a basic level. A parser is not.

Sorry but I have played WoW so I know exactly where dps addons go. It is not needed, it will only make the community worse... why waste resources? If you are skilled at any level where a parser may help you should be able to figure out if you are doing good damage or not. If you are not skilled then a parer isn't going to help because you haven't even figured out the basic rotation.

Waste resources? They already have a parser in their development builds as shown in a screenshot not too long, the only thing that would need to implemented is an actual UI for it, but that shouldn't be a problem as I'd imagine their UI team isn't exactly constantly active. Also, you can play the entire game from the beginning to end without using chat, excluding those quests that have you type things. Remind me, how is that required for the game to function?

[RocheKat]

Tbh, other games I've played with parsers have about the same amount of people ignoring mechanics, so I consider this just another false arguement...

Its extremely obvious now if someone is not dodging stuff. You need a parser to tell you the obvious? And you think the people ignoring mechanics here are about the same as other games? I can only assume you don't mean WoW when you say other...

So what exactly is your argument for a parser? It isn't needed since the game has been doing just fine for years without one. Maybe you are exactly the type of person we are talking about? The only purpose of these is to attack others or stroke your ego.

[RocheKat]

Waste resources? They already have a parser in their development builds as shown in a screenshot not too long, the only thing that would need to implemented is an actual UI for it, but that shouldn't be a problem as I'd imagine their UI team isn't exactly constantly active. Also, you can play the entire game from the beginning to end without using chat, excluding those quests that have you type things. Remind me, how is that required for the game to function?

So you learned all the fights in the game without any communication from anyone? That is rather impressive...

Oh and parers use resources... a lot of resources.

[WeekendSoja]

Chat box is basic, VOIP is an enhancement to that fact.

Knowing your rotation is basic, having a parser enhances the fact that you should know it by the time you're supposidly ready for raids and current primals.

Right at this instant in my servers pf list there are 4 groups "requiring ts3/vent/discord", this, just like this shaded arguement that a parser would alienate a certain group...at least with a parser you'll know you will need to improve whereas this VOIP requirement just alienates the majority who don't want to download it or speak in it or even use it cause they have..."voice interaction anxiety"? Who knows but this is just another reason we can't have nice things and enjoy them.

[Colorful]

So you learned all the fights in the game without any communication from anyone? That is rather impressive...

Oh and parers use resources... a lot of resources.

99% of the game's content doesn't require proper doing of mechanics other than "Move out of this big orange AoE", all challenging content I've done is learnt through written/video guides. You know why we fail a lot of that content? That's right, a lot of it has to do with poor DPS. If you mean resources CPU wise, then PS3 can either be singled out or it can implemented with 4.0 when the PS3 is likely to be dropped.

[Andrea]

A chat box is required for the game to function at a basic level. A parser is not.

Sorry but I have played WoW so I know exactly where dps addons go. It is not needed, it will only make the community worse... why waste resources? If you are skilled at any level where a parser may help you should be able to figure out if you are doing good damage or not. If you are not skilled then a parer isn't going to help because you haven't even figured out the basic rotation.

How so? I can go through the game from 1-60 hell even do endgame savage stuff without a chat box.

A parser does indeed help people improve, if you cannot admit that then there is no point continuing this conversation as we will get nowhere.

[Priya]

Oh and parers use resources... a lot of resources.

Do you mean resources like machine resources (CPU, memory, internet etc) or developer? If you mean the former, I'm no authority, so perhaps someone more knowledgeable than I can say how much they tend to take; I was always under the impression it wasn't too hard on a machine. If you mean the latter, perhaps SE can go the same route as Blizzard and let the community develop addons/parsers similar to what ACT already is. I think that uses less developer resources as all they need to do is make sure things don't go too far (e.g when Blizzard broke AVR because it was too invasive and trivalized heroic Rotface's slime mechanics).



Edit: Whoops. I meant AVR.

[Kyuuen]

Being able to do mechanics means nothing if you dont have the DPS numbers to back it up.

Correct! But at the same time what happens to someone that has issues with juggling the mechanics already, but now are equally distracted by "what's my numbers!?!" as well as the mechanics? You get 0 DPS because the DPS is dead.

Tbh, other games I've played with parsers have about the same amount of people ignoring mechanics, so I consider this just another false arguement...

Also, I don't know if you realize this, but parsers track more than just damage out, the also track damage in, healing out etc. So it's extremely obvious if someone is not dodging stuff in favor of a little more dps. Mechanics will still need to be done, so people will be expected to do them, and still get called out for not doing it.

Of course the odd person will get away with it, they already do, it's not the parsers fault.

I am fully aware of what parsers are capable of. I had an eight year relationship with WoW starting back in 06 and have seen exactly what parsers can turn a community into.

I'm not arguing the usefulness of a tool that "can help" people, I'm arguing the point that when the tool is used by tools to berate, belittle and abuse those who simply don't know better.

Moreover a built-in in-game parser isn't helpful unless it tells you what is wrong. Sure, if you're a knowledgeable player you can figure this stuff out, but to people relatively new the parser; in the end of all things, is just telling you numbers. It's not informing where you should be at performance wise at what item levels per class. It's not telling you your optimal rotation or how to align buffs and debuffs to maximize damage potential.

Again, it's helpful to those that know how to utilize it and it's information. Toxic due to the tools that would abuse it. And less than helpful; potentially confusing, to those who don't know how to use it or altogether new to it.

Like what I said in my previous post; or essentially said, I'd be fine with one, as long as it were limited use.

[Whiteroom]

Its extremely obvious now if someone is not dodging stuff. You need a parser to tell you the obvious? And you think the people ignoring mechanics here are about the same as other games? I can only assume you don't mean WoW when you say other...

So what exactly is your argument for a parser? It isn't needed since the game has been doing just fine for years without one. Maybe you are exactly the type of person we are talking about? The only purpose of these is to attack others or stroke your ego.

Not sure if you are serious or not here. From your inability to understand how damage in can be helpful, something extremely obvious, I would say you are intentionally misunderstanding it.

Do I need to restate the obvious for my argument for parser, it's pros are extremely obvious, thought from the last bit of your quote, (that objectively wrong fear mongering bit.) you seem to have an emotional bias against them, for reasons one can only guess at.

Also, has the game been "Doing just fine for years"? Has it really? Maybe for you, but what about all those groups that constantly fail DPS checks, look at BEX for an example, or in the "years" category, Amadapor Bees nerf.

Yes, obviously I am the exact kind of elitist scum you want me to be, after all, I support parsers, I spew venom everywhere ( though your words do seem to have the tone of what you are projecting on others, similar to others who have taken up your pitchforks and axes).

Also, all of the info in the parser is already recorded by the game, just in an impossible to follow chat log box, so as far as your resource argument... mongering, mongering, mongering.

Moreover a built-in in-game parser isn't helpful unless it tells you what is wrong. Sure, if you're a knowledgeable player you can figure this stuff out, but to people relatively new the parser; in the end of all things, is just telling you numbers. It's not informing where you should be at performance wise at what item levels per class. It's not telling you your optimal rotation or how to align buffs and debuffs to maximize damage potential.

Of course it can't play the game for you, that's essentially what it would be doing if it did what you suggest here. And of course it can be abused, everything in the game can be abused to that end. Hell, emotes can, do you aggree with that insano who was here talking about sicing the child protective services on SE because emotes can be abused?

Also, of course, people new to parsers won't be experts, like all tools, you have to get used to them to be proficient with them. However, they are fairly easy to understand at a basic level, and just as information can be used to berate, it can also be used to defend, and surprisingly enough, to improve.

Seriously though, why would you even bring up that it doesn't tell you what buffs and debuffs to use optimally, of course it wouldn't sit there and go "Virus now!" , "eye for an eye now!" but, with the info from it, you can figure out what are the better times to use these.