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    Charlotte Elise
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    Quote Originally Posted by RocheKat View Post
    A chat box is required for the game to function at a basic level. A parser is not.

    Sorry but I have played WoW so I know exactly where dps addons go. It is not needed, it will only make the community worse... why waste resources? If you are skilled at any level where a parser may help you should be able to figure out if you are doing good damage or not. If you are not skilled then a parer isn't going to help because you haven't even figured out the basic rotation.
    Waste resources? They already have a parser in their development builds as shown in a screenshot not too long, the only thing that would need to implemented is an actual UI for it, but that shouldn't be a problem as I'd imagine their UI team isn't exactly constantly active. Also, you can play the entire game from the beginning to end without using chat, excluding those quests that have you type things. Remind me, how is that required for the game to function?
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    Klarity Sincerity
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colorful View Post
    Waste resources? They already have a parser in their development builds as shown in a screenshot not too long, the only thing that would need to implemented is an actual UI for it, but that shouldn't be a problem as I'd imagine their UI team isn't exactly constantly active. Also, you can play the entire game from the beginning to end without using chat, excluding those quests that have you type things. Remind me, how is that required for the game to function?
    So you learned all the fights in the game without any communication from anyone? That is rather impressive...

    Oh and parers use resources... a lot of resources.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RocheKat View Post
    A chat box is required for the game to function at a basic level. A parser is not.

    Sorry but I have played WoW so I know exactly where dps addons go. It is not needed, it will only make the community worse... why waste resources? If you are skilled at any level where a parser may help you should be able to figure out if you are doing good damage or not. If you are not skilled then a parer isn't going to help because you haven't even figured out the basic rotation.
    How so? I can go through the game from 1-60 hell even do endgame savage stuff without a chat box.

    A parser does indeed help people improve, if you cannot admit that then there is no point continuing this conversation as we will get nowhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RocheKat View Post
    "Please add in another way to make people elitist."


    Yeah we don't need that... a damage meter of any kind promotes bad behavior.
    Without pcs us ps4 players wouldn't even know what a parser was or its uses. We should remove all pc support from the game or add in a background checker to disable anything from screen recorders to parsers. >:[ [Not really serious about that]
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    So much support in this thread with almost an equal amount of opposition. Poses two questions of why so opposed, as Priya said, "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" kind of rings true and with current policies instated for delinquent use of parses already being harsh, and if they implement a parser I believe those policies wouldn't change...so people would still need to hold hands just now there's no hiding your inadequecies...why oppose a tool that should make people better with these limitations? (and if someone brings up improper use of a parser in anything other than current primal and raid content...just wow)

    If SE made a server for competitive orientation, with this straight split in this thread about this, I wonder how many people would transition over.

    I would feel bad for the "let's have fun" group because not everyone in that group has fun maxing their capabilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WeekendSoja View Post
    I would feel bad for the "let's have fun" group because not everyone in that group has fun maxing their capabilities.
    The people that most in here have a problem with are those that are clearly not even attempting to pull their weight. If you're running the newest expert dungeons and still do not know what you're meant to do as your class then why even run it.

    You're just forcing others to carry you instead of you learning how to contribute yourself.

    I do not feel sorry for those people.
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    I just tried the new Stone, Sky, Sea thing and it's absolutely horrible and doesn't even compare. It's just a standalone dummy that doesn't even fight back. Also it absolutely sucks for healers, it just makes us dps the entire way. No way I'm going to be dishing out that much dps in A5S as a whm (idk maybe I will, I haven't done savage yet). I've played games that had built in dps/hps meters before. The casual community of those games don't even recognize it exists for the most part, I mean is the ff14 community actually scared of a dps meter? Really guys? xD
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    Quote Originally Posted by RadiantRay View Post
    I just tried the new Stone, Sky, Sea thing and it's absolutely horrible and doesn't even compare. It's just a standalone dummy that doesn't even fight back. Also it absolutely sucks for healers, it just makes us dps the entire way. No way I'm going to be dishing out that much dps in A5S as a whm (idk maybe I will, I haven't done savage yet). I've played games that had built in dps/hps meters before. The casual community of those games don't even recognize it exists for the most part, I mean is the ff14 community actually scared of a dps meter? Really guys? xD
    It's not so much people being scared of a parser, but what a parser will do to the community.

    Already people fail simple mechanics. Adding in another distraction that the community will; almost certainly, expect everyone then to use will only cause harm to those that already have trouble with said mechanics only to add a new distraction on top of that. Then there's the toxic element, yada yada yada.

    If one were ever to be implemented it should only be available to those in a FULLY preset party. If there's so much as a single random person in the group; from DF obviously, the parser should be inaccessible, therefore cutting some of the toxicity.
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    Last edited by Kyuuen; 03-07-2016 at 01:03 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyuuen View Post
    It's not so much people being scared of a parser, but what a parser will do to the community.

    Already people fail simple mechanics. Adding in another distraction that the community will; almost certainly, expect everyone then to use will only cause harm to those that already have trouble with said mechanics only to add a new distraction on top of that. Then there's the toxic element, yada yada yada.

    If one were ever to be implemented it should only be available to those in a FULLY preset party. If there's so much as a single random person in the group; from DF obviously, the parser should be inaccessible, therefore cutting some of the toxicity.
    I don't know if it's really a distraction insofar as people shouldn't be looking at it during a fight, but I can see what you're getting at if you mean that people will worry about it and thus possibly fail a mechanic because they're thinking too much about the meters. Not thinking about it is something that comes with time and practice, though, like most things that cause similar anxiety.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fusional View Post
    i'd kinda like to give priya hugs with my mouth.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bayohne View Post
    Q20: Will we ever be able to send tells from within an instanced area?

    A20: While the feature can be implemented, it’s currently masked. It’s currently masked because we would like to prevent players from harassing each other just because they know they would never party together in the future. We will continue to monitor the situation carefully as we move forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyuuen View Post
    Already people fail simple mechanics. Adding in another distraction that the community will; almost certainly, expect everyone then to use will only cause harm to those that already have trouble with said mechanics only to add a new distraction on top of that. Then there's the toxic element, yada yada yada.
    Being able to do mechanics means nothing if you dont have the DPS numbers to back it up.
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