add an in game parser please!!!

[Whiteroom]

It's not so much people being scared of a parser, but what a parser will do to the community.

Already people fail simple mechanics. Adding in another distraction that the community will; almost certainly, expect everyone then to use will only cause harm to those that already have trouble with said mechanics only to add a new distraction on top of that. Then there's the toxic element, yada yada yada.

If one were ever to be implemented it should only be available to those in a FULLY preset party. If there's so much as a single random person in the group; from DF obviously, the parser should be inaccessible, therefore cutting some of the toxicity.

Tbh, other games I've played with parsers have about the same amount of people ignoring mechanics, so I consider this just another false arguement...

Also, I don't know if you realize this, but parsers track more than just damage out, the also track damage in, healing out etc. So it's extremely obvious if someone is not dodging stuff in favor of a little more dps. Mechanics will still need to be done, so people will be expected to do them, and still get called out for not doing it.

Of course the odd person will get away with it, they already do, it's not the parsers fault.

[Ashkendor]

Also, I don't know if you realize this, but parsers track more than just damage out, the also track damage in, healing out etc. So it's extremely obvious if someone is not dodging stuff in favor of a little more dps. Mechanics will still need to be done, so people will be expected to do them, and still get called out for not doing it.

Of course the odd person will get away with it, they already do, it's not the parsers fault.

Yep, it's also nice for being sure what killed you or knowing when someone is using their buffs and such.

[RocheKat]

Tbh, other games I've played with parsers have about the same amount of people ignoring mechanics, so I consider this just another false arguement...

Its extremely obvious now if someone is not dodging stuff. You need a parser to tell you the obvious? And you think the people ignoring mechanics here are about the same as other games? I can only assume you don't mean WoW when you say other...

So what exactly is your argument for a parser? It isn't needed since the game has been doing just fine for years without one. Maybe you are exactly the type of person we are talking about? The only purpose of these is to attack others or stroke your ego.

[Whiteroom]

Its extremely obvious now if someone is not dodging stuff. You need a parser to tell you the obvious? And you think the people ignoring mechanics here are about the same as other games? I can only assume you don't mean WoW when you say other...

So what exactly is your argument for a parser? It isn't needed since the game has been doing just fine for years without one. Maybe you are exactly the type of person we are talking about? The only purpose of these is to attack others or stroke your ego.

Not sure if you are serious or not here. From your inability to understand how damage in can be helpful, something extremely obvious, I would say you are intentionally misunderstanding it.

Do I need to restate the obvious for my argument for parser, it's pros are extremely obvious, thought from the last bit of your quote, (that objectively wrong fear mongering bit.) you seem to have an emotional bias against them, for reasons one can only guess at.

Also, has the game been "Doing just fine for years"? Has it really? Maybe for you, but what about all those groups that constantly fail DPS checks, look at BEX for an example, or in the "years" category, Amadapor Bees nerf.

Yes, obviously I am the exact kind of elitist scum you want me to be, after all, I support parsers, I spew venom everywhere ( though your words do seem to have the tone of what you are projecting on others, similar to others who have taken up your pitchforks and axes).

Also, all of the info in the parser is already recorded by the game, just in an impossible to follow chat log box, so as far as your resource argument... mongering, mongering, mongering.

Moreover a built-in in-game parser isn't helpful unless it tells you what is wrong. Sure, if you're a knowledgeable player you can figure this stuff out, but to people relatively new the parser; in the end of all things, is just telling you numbers. It's not informing where you should be at performance wise at what item levels per class. It's not telling you your optimal rotation or how to align buffs and debuffs to maximize damage potential.

Of course it can't play the game for you, that's essentially what it would be doing if it did what you suggest here. And of course it can be abused, everything in the game can be abused to that end. Hell, emotes can, do you aggree with that insano who was here talking about sicing the child protective services on SE because emotes can be abused?

Also, of course, people new to parsers won't be experts, like all tools, you have to get used to them to be proficient with them. However, they are fairly easy to understand at a basic level, and just as information can be used to berate, it can also be used to defend, and surprisingly enough, to improve.

Seriously though, why would you even bring up that it doesn't tell you what buffs and debuffs to use optimally, of course it wouldn't sit there and go "Virus now!" , "eye for an eye now!" but, with the info from it, you can figure out what are the better times to use these.

[Kyuuen]

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Nor am I expecting it to, but again as I've stated, to a new person this info is potentially useless. And where do they go when they have questions? The Mentor system? Which from what I hear is a mess half the time. FC? Perhaps they're not in an FC. Outside the game? Something that the Devs are obviously trying to avoid having people do with the advent of the mentor system.

Why bring it up? Seriously? Because it doesn't tell you these things! Do you HONESTLY believe the average player is going to sit around and parse themselves to find their optimal rotation if they don't already know it? As I said, to the knowledgeable players it's useful. To new players and the inexperienced it solves nothing.

[Whiteroom]

Nor am I expecting it to, but again as I've stated, to a new person this info is potentially useless. And where do they go when they have questions? The Mentor system? Which from what I hear is a mess half the time. FC? Perhaps they're not in an FC. Outside the game? Something that the Devs are obviously trying to avoid having people do with the advent of the mentor system.

Why bring it up? Seriously? Because it doesn't tell you these things! Do you HONESTLY believe the average player is going to sit around and parse themselves to find their optimal rotation if they don't already know it? As I said, to the knowledgeable players it's useful. To new players and the inexperienced it solves nothing.

New players know nothing when they start the game, that doesn't prevent them from learning. Nobody starts something thoroughly versed in it. And they don't have to sit around hitting a striking dummy to improve. The parser will tell them their performance every run, they will know if they are performing well or not, and are more likely to try to improve, if only a little. To a brand new person it is useless, just like most things in the game, as soon as they start running things, anything, they will be able to notice trends. "Hey, when I do this, my damage is greater most of the time, or when I do this, its less, I think I'll stick with the greater option." or "Hey, not dodging means I take two/three times as much damage as everyone else, maybe I should improve on that."

Do these things make everyone a pro player, no, nothing can or will, and that is not the goal, the goal is to make the player base better. And yes, I believe a large portion would take steps, however actively to improve when they are able to have a metric for their performance. Are you HONESTLY saying that a reason it shouldn't be implemented is because new players may not know it? Do you think they are really that lacking in the learning department?

[Ashkendor]

Why bring it up? Seriously? Because it doesn't tell you these things! Do you HONESTLY believe the average player is going to sit around and parse themselves to find their optimal rotation if they don't already know it? As I said, to the knowledgeable players it's useful. To new players and the inexperienced it solves nothing.

You're acting like all of us started the game immediately knowing our optimal rotations.

I'll have you know that newbies are quite capable of learning things.