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  1. #91
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentwindfr View Post
    well when you see the price of some stuff you can't say that crafter are not greedy..
    Do you know how much time and effort goes into leveling a high end crafter. They sell stuff based on what the market is willing to pay for it. Patience is often important when it comes to buying some items cause prices always moderate. I have a friend who made 40 million last week **gathering** from high end legendary nodes. Is he doing something wrong too? By the way he is someone who has purchased a number of houses for FC members just because he wanted to help them.

    Gathering is hard, crafting is even harder. The fact that many don't elect to do it doesn't make those who do any less valuable or make them greedy either. You want to be able to do what they do work for it and stop with the give me this for free stuff.
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    Last edited by LaylaTsarra; 02-29-2016 at 08:31 PM.

  2. #92
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    No, definitely don't think this should happen. I've read through the entire thread and not one person has reported having trouble getting someone to meld for them. It's simply a case of not wanting to make the effort of putting out a /sh or asking in FC chat.
    It's not like you don't have any choice, while most crafters are happy to meld, levelling your own crafters to 60 really isn't all that hard either, if you use your leves and spend a bit of gil, you can do it in under a week.
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  3. #93
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentwindfr View Post
    well when you see the price of some stuff you can't say that crafter are not greedy. but at the same time say it's only them fault is being naive, it come from SE wanting us to use more cash that make stuff rare, but instead to make people use more cash, it have the inverse effect.
    You're looking at it from a consumer's standpoint, not a producer's standpoint. Producers need a ROI in order to continue to do what they do comfortably. Melding new gear is costly. Obtaining materials can be costly. (In time or gil) Failures can be costly. (Some things rely on RNG to an extent in order to HQ)
    Favors for friends can be costly. (e.g. Crafting something at a discount/free for a friend)
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  4. #94
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    Khuja'to Binbotaj
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentwindfr View Post
    well when you see the price of some stuff you can't say that crafter are not greedy. but at the same time say it's only them fault is being naive, it come from SE wanting us to use more cash that make stuff rare, but instead to make people use more cash, it have the inverse effect.
    You should take an economics class and learn about supply and demand. Happens in the real world too. The more demand there is, the higher the prices go, the more abundant something is, the lower the prices go.

    Also, im a crafter who can meld, but I'm not high enough to make millions on the MB, am I greedy because I want to retain my materia melding privileges? I feel like I've worked for it, and im not making much money from crafting (more than I was, but crafting is expensive to maintain).

    This thread isn't about crafters being greedy, its apparently about non crafters being lazy and slightly entitled.

    Btw PSA on this issue: if you are on hyperion and have this issue, I'll meld your gear for free (I have GSM, Wvr, LTW, Crp, and soon to have BSM).
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    Last edited by Lambdafish; 02-29-2016 at 09:56 PM.

  5. #95
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra View Post
    Gathering is hard, crafting is even harder. The fact that many don't elect to do it doesn't make those who do any less valuable or make them greedy either. You want to be able to do what they do work for it and stop with the give me this for free stuff.
    How about the give me this for fun stuff? To be honest, if crafting and gathering were just actually enjoyable to more than half the game's population, this thread would not have nearly so many pages right now. "I did my time, so why don't you?" shouldn't be thoughts we find in a game.

    (Additional vague attributions of blame towards glamour system and retainer policies and/or inventory space omitted.)

    But, whatever, this thread isn't about that. It's about how a simple, otherwise positive occurred (actual gear customization! ...albeit faint) had a particular oversight (raid gear didn't need crafters before, and now it does) that others want to remedy only insofar.

    P.S. Indeed, all the people I know who are nice enough to spend money for others' sakes craft or gather. How else would I know they're so nice? After all, they'd have virtually no money.
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  6. #96
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    Evangela Monterossa
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    I don't understand some crafters who're against this request. If you enjoy crafting, good for you. The others don't, and they shouldn't be forced to do what they don't want to.

    It's like some kids don't want to lose their relevancy or something. Insecure?
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  7. #97
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    I don't understand how it's so much to ask that dungeon and raid gear not newly require a crafter to really utilize.
    Because requiring a crafter was the whole point of adding the slot.
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    And the crafters are greedy comments start. Should have expected it tbh.
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  9. #99
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    Jojorito Zazarito
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    No one cared about this until slots were put on tome/raid gear. It's all about supply and demand, there was no demand for melds before so no one gave a crap, now there's a demand and everyone wants to do it. Slotting materia is a unique ability only suited to crafters, just be glad you convert things without having the craft leveled.

    You can't always have everything, hell I want to be able to take more than 3 auto attacks from a lv60 mob as DoL/DoH but I can't.
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  10. #100
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conradus View Post
    Because requiring a crafter was the whole point of adding the slot.
    The whole point of adding the slot was enabling more customization, which dozens of people kept begging for on the forums >_>

    And even in those threads, people kept pointing out that materia was not the way to go about the customization if the melding stays in the hands of crafters because people would end up not utilizing the slots at all.

    We've had these discussions before. Personally, I'd rather have non-customizable gear that I don't need to bother with beyond acquisition (Like we used to get). Should be an option, so that people who do prefer it the current way can get their customized melds instead.
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