Please do something about Living Dead

[Lambdafish]

The OP is exactly right! Living dead takes a tonne more co-ordination as you need to tell the healer to heal you... except they already should be. Oh right they aren't healing you enough, you need to tell them that your immanent death is coming. What? you can make a text macro? They might not see it. What? you can add a sound effect? oh... what was the point I was making?

In all seriousness, LD is mostly used in raiding, in which case the communication and heals should already be there. Like others have said, Holmgang is harder to pull off. I think the problem is that the OP doesn't know how to LD efficiently and keeps dying ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

[Pibz]

-plays full vit on several characters, has had no issues- just throwing that out there.

On topic they could possibly adjust it so being healed as the ability goes off won't kill it, i really don't see it as being a horrible ability as its being called, it's a last resort.. last resorts usually happen.. when everything is going wrong, thus it's likely that the healer is paying attention at this point, just tell your party "things go wrong I'll last resort please watch for this if you can." Its cooperation.. its not that difficult.

The problem is that the other abilities don't require nearly as much "coordination" as living dead plain and simple. And basic psychology and design principles tell you that people nearly always prefer the easiest solution. In fact if it wasn't for the fact that DRK had significantly more damage and better magic mitigation (tho it was mainly the more damage bit) people would have easily (very easily) prefered paladin already vs DRK in the last tier. Now with PLD damage being brought up to par more, i highly doubt anyone will want a Living vs a Hallowed (Wars will still be must have tanks, cause SE can't be bothered to do proper balance fixes but i'm not even getting into that) and that is the real issue.

Again, does Living Dead have roughly the same potential vs other cds with their timers into consideration- Yes, Is it also the most painful ability of the three to use by far- YES and that is the issue.

[Pibz]

The OP is exactly right! Living dead takes a tonne more co-ordination as you need to tell the healer to heal you... except they already should be. Oh right they aren't healing you enough, you need to tell them that your immanent death is coming. What? you can make a text macro? They might not see it. What? you can add a sound effect? oh... what was the point I was making?

In all seriousness, LD is mostly used in raiding, in which case the communication and heals should already be there. Like others have said, Holmgang is harder to pull off. I think the problem is that the OP doesn't know how to LD efficiently and keeps dying ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

Non drk mains (you don't even have it leveled ffs) coming here to tell me they know more about my class than i do, this forums never cease to amaze me.

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I still don't know what the problem with needing to pop CDs to heal Living Dead is, either. In just about any situation where an invincibility CD is required (which is usually during tank busters), I plan in my Benediction anyway. Used correctly, LD + Bene can grant anything between 12 and 18s of "forget about the tank, get in Cleric Stance", outclassing Hallowed Ground by a fair margin. They even have the same CD, they're literally screaming to be used together. DRK/WHM is such a great combination, there's so much synergy between the two jobs in a raid scenario. Plus, it's one of the most unique skills in the game in terms of design and really fits the job, IMO.

tl;dr: Living Dead is fine, kthxbai.

[Lambdafish]

Non drk mains (you don't even have it leveled ffs) coming here to tell me they know more about my class than i do, this forums never cease to amaze me.

??? My DRK is 54, you get LD at 50, I work with a DRK in my raid static. Please don't insult my intelligence, or do I need to point out that you are talking about Holmgang even though you haven't levelled WAR fully.

[Canadane]

Both tanks and healers need to be aware of incoming damage.
If you consider just tanks needing to know this and the healers are reactive to it after the fact, I can understand why you'd have concerns. But most healers are proactive in keeping you up and healthy, especially when known large damage is coming.

[DeeColon]

Non drk mains (you don't even have it leveled ffs) coming here to tell me they know more about my class than i do, this forums never cease to amaze me.

Aha he went there, YOU DON'T PLAY MY JOB YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RAAAAAAAA

[Pibz]

You're worried that it requires coordination from healers, or requires the use of a CD? So does Holmgang, and holmgang is actually substantially more risky because of the fact that it will hold us in place - again, a major issue when doing large pack pulls with untelegraphed AoE's (However, in contrast, in content where it's heavily scripted, it's easier to use if you've memorized the content.)

You just went through the issue and refuse to see it, go play DRK for a significant time and come back to me.

The fact that you spell it out, it needs 4* 2.4s casts during 10s (a little less with regens up or if you use cds to heal up the tank.... sigh how is the flaw not painfully obvious) , holmgang needs 1-2 heals just as it is about to end in the extreme case. If you don't see it right in front of your nose i'm not gonna write anymore, as you said move on and stop cluttering the thread.

[Pibz]

Aha he went there, YOU DON'T PLAY MY JOB YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RAAAAAAAA

Yep i did, because experience is a thing, and if you don't have as much you're usually (nearly everytime) less qualified to talk about something. It's how the world works, sorry to disappoint.

I thought you were going to stop replying?

[DeeColon]

Yep i did, because experience is a thing, and if you don't have as much you're usually (nearly everytime) less qualified to talk about something. It's how the world works, sorry to disappoint.

Like how you're talking about how much harder the skill makes life on healers when you don't have all 3 healers at 60? Right.