Please do something about Living Dead

[Pibz]

Stay on topic or lock the topic. Please.

Holmgang is only harder if you have no target.

Trying to, and you are absolutely right~

Except many people play dark knight and did give valid points, just because you do not agree with them does not make a persons point wrong. And vice versa, yet you claim that people who do not agree with you are just white knighting while you ignore their opinions and try to push your own as being the right and only one. That is why people persist in pushing the issue, it's insulting.

I gave an argument in addition to anything else i said, the ones responding to me are the ones who just then keep strawmanning, like you, talk about the topic as im not replying anymore otherwise

[Aryalandi]

the ones who just then keep strawmanning, like you, talk about the topic as im not replying anymore otherwise

Never said you didn't give an argument along with your insults, last part just invalidated your entire post because its childish, you see what i mean?

Also your argument earlier was that the ability pushes the healer in the party too hard, then when a healer disagreed and said they see nothing wrong with the ability you essentially told said healer how to do their job before later claiming that people who don't main a job have no right to tell those that do so how to do it.

You are defeating your own arguments while ignoring people who disagree with you and insulting their intelligence because you have an issue with something and they do not. That is a fact that cannot be debated because I am a strawmanning white knight and won't let it go~

[dekal]

LD is alright. The only problem I see with LD is not with the drk, but with the inexperienced healers. As someone else mentioned before, in regular df runs LD should not be used whatsoever at least the drk got greedy and start making extremely big pulls and the healer is not experienced or just lazy and let you die if you used LD.

If it were an old ex primal, it shouldn't even be used (including Bismark ex) because your ilvl gears compensate any mechanics. I read that thok was mentioned, and you were complaining on how a healer have to use their CD to compensate your CD. Obviously what other time would a healer used for? When they go afk for 5 secs during the fight? There is not excuse to struggle healing.

@ Mike 555 yes but a lot of people preferred dtk cuz of its versatility of better CDs time of its other skills and better DPS compared to PLD, which has the lowest DPS out of the three tanks. I think that very well balance it out the weak DPS and long CDs that PLD have. Not even talking how drk can cross skills of pld while none other tank can do it.

[Fyce]

So, the "issue" is that you'll need to use one extra heal GCD or a healing cooldown to top off a DRK because of tanks going full VIT?
Woah, big deal...

Our group has been raiding for a few months now and we're a pretty average group. Not a single time Living Dead was an issue, so this "new problem because of VIT" won't change anything.
We'll probably ask our DRK to pair it with Convalescence just to be sure the first times, but then realize it's not even necessary, and forget about it.

I'll now end my post with a very famous quote from a wise man who understand this very specific subject:

"... Whatever."
- Squall Lionheart

[technole]

Yeah, in Gordias Savage I can't think of any situation where LD was ever a hinderance. You didn't even need it in A1S because DA+DM was the best magical cooldown ever. For A3S, you used it as a planned cooldown to eat the first hand cleave for more dps, plenty of time to deal with it, and WHM would let them sit on the WD status for a few seconds. For A4S sac method and handling the buster, Healer LB3 would address it. In raiding, it's not so much an oh snap button but rather a planned cooldown.

VIT won't really change things, and not to mention item level inflation will have healers getting more MND on the same token to heal more. So a lot of this is just huff-and-puff.

[QuinRaines]

Holmgang is better because I said so.
Get with the times folks 3:

[MagiusNecros]

Living Dead is just poorly designed. Either do as I said or add lifesteal on attacks during walking dead to help out healers. Hell have blood price give you HP too to reach that massive healing prereq.

Core issue of LD is DRK needs to coordinate with the Healer. Holmgang and Hallowed Ground are self serving and fall on the PLD/WAR.

[Eidolon]

Living Dead is just poorly designed. [...]
Core issue of LD is DRK needs to coordinate with the Healer. Holmgang and Hallowed Ground are self serving and fall on the PLD/WAR.

That's not an issue of Living Dead, then, and this is something I kinda realised.


If you took Living Dead, and put it on WAR, and put Holmgang on Dark Knight. What would you have?

You'd still have Dark Knights complaining about having the "Weakest CD" because they have no way to help themselves. All the issues that come with Living Dead, comes with Holmgang. But Warrior's synergy with it's own CD's is just that potent that it helps mitigate the issues created by holmgang.

I spoke with my healer, and they summed it up pretty well.

"For fights where there will be AoE's on the ground, I'd rather heal a Dark Knight through their Living Dead. But for a fight with raid-wide damage, I'd rather heal a Warrior."

I think that's a pretty fair way to look at it - that Dark Knight is the only class that lacks synergy with its own CD.

[Lambdafish]

You'd still have Dark Knights complaining about having the "Weakest CD" because they have no way to help themselves.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't DA + soul eater help with LD? Likely not enough, but if DRK did see tweaks, I think this would be the way to go.

[Eidolon]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't DA + soul eater help with LD? Likely not enough, but if DRK did see tweaks, I think this would be the way to go.

a quick DA'd soul eater on a mob in hinterlands
 You absorb 441 HP.
 You absorb 1767 HP.

so about 2k, a bit less than half a cure II from a healer. You could expect to drain about 200-400/hit for a total of 4 hits, so let's be generous and say 300*3 = 900 + 2,200 = 3,100~ roughly from self-healing can be offered via a dark knight, over the course of the full rotation.

It's sadly just a little underwhealming.