Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[Kurogaea]

Someone in another thread one day made a comparison about playing a soccer game , and the rest of your team completely disregarding the rules and starting to kick the ball into their own goal post while shouting "we play to have fun!". That's a great analogy when arguments like these are made. I guess we're not playing the game if we actually use our skills to their fullest potential, gee, who knew :/?

........You know I'm still wondering why people go to such extremes when one person doesn't use their full abilities while dpsing and somehow they're not following "rules". Last I checked, Dpsing of any kind mean your dpsing. Its not like they go into a dungeon without their soul stones and start casting cure, because that what it sounds like when people make up these analogies like the soccer one. These players really need to stop making their efficiency of playing "rules". They're not.

[Kuwagami]

........You know I'm still wondering why people go to such extremes when one person doesn't use their full abilities while dpsing and somehow they're not following "rules". Last I checked, Dpsing of any kind mean your dpsing. Its not like they go into a dungeon without their soul stones and start casting cure, because that what it sounds like when people make up these analogies like the soccer one. These players really need to stop making their efficiency of playing "rules". They're not.

Yeah. To keep on the soccer analogy, it would be more like one of your team mate puts on ski boots and goes playing with that. Sure he'll play too. But he'll be slower and most likely be a hindrance to everyone else in his team. The ski boots guy is the player refusing to use 3.0 skills because "why bother", or the Ice mage, or whatnot. A guy not playing like he should to be efficient.

other analogies work too

Like sewing with mittens

[Kaurie]

Yeah. To keep on the soccer analogy, it would be more like one of your team mate puts on ski boots and goes playing with that. Sure he'll play too. But he'll be slower and most likely be a hindrance to everyone else in his team. The ski boots guy is the player refusing to use 3.0 skills because "why bother", or the Ice mage, or whatnot. A guy not playing like he should to be efficient.

other analogies work too

Like sewing with mittens

Ski-boot soccer sounds like a horribly fun idea!
This also reminds me of the Bubble Soccer fad - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me1y78yMOSo It's great if everyone is on board, but if you showed up in one of those to a regular soccer game, people would be understandable confused/frustrated.

[DPZ2]

other analogies work too

Neither of those analogies work at all, mainly because the player would need to have been given skis to play soccer in the first place. Same with the mittens.

There is no equivalent to 'skis' (an entirely different sport than soccer with a different set of gear) when comparing level 50 and level 60 skill sets in this game.

It might be like playing chess while missing a rook. Do-able, but not optimal. Problem there, of course, is there are plenty of chess games where that rook is never moved or used.

[Kuwagami]

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Wait, you took it wrong. It's not playing soccer with skis on, but only with the boots.
This
ski boots image

instead of this
soccer shoes image

Basically, a handicap. While I went a bit hardcore in the analogy (I could have used slippers, because not good to run with, or flip-flops, or anything else making it harder to run), the idea is here : you are less efficient at what you're doing due to your choice.

Ignore that. I misunderstood you

Ski-boot soccer sounds like a horribly fun idea!
This also reminds me of the Bubble Soccer fad - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me1y78yMOSo It's great if everyone is on board, but if you showed up in one of those to a regular soccer game, people would be understandable confused/frustrated.

I did it once, it's horrible >_> we ended up doing dodgeball instead because it was easier to play xD

[Kurogaea]

Yeah. To keep on the soccer analogy, it would be more like one of your team mate puts on ski boots and goes playing with that. Sure he'll play too. But he'll be slower and most likely be a hindrance to everyone else in his team. The ski boots guy is the player refusing to use 3.0 skills because "why bother", or the Ice mage, or whatnot. A guy not playing like he should to be efficient.

other analogies work too

Like sewing with mittens

If your analogy makes sense in relation to 14, then it'd sound like one dps player was somehow playing his game with oven mits, in which he would most likely hit everything but the right button he tries to press (god forbid he was on a keyboard, he wouldn't even be playing if that's the case). For the ski boots one.....what even??? It's not like we can be inflicted with heavy for the entire dungeon run (unless you mean lag then thats completely relatable), not to mention you can't do a single thing on a soccer field other than stand as goalie with ski boots and I doubt you'd block anything. In where a dps as an ice mage, can still do more damage than a summoner's pet.

No I'm not saying being an ice mage in a dungeon is ok (it'd be an obvious joke/troll move anyway if someone did that) and yes it would slow down the progress of a dungeon, but it wouldn't make the run un-finishable.

Anyways, I was not talking about troll/joke dps members before. I'm talking about dps doing slighty lower than their full potential. As if a monk doing an entire lvl 50 dungeon run without the fist of fire stance would legitimately slow down the run so badly that you have to point it out to them as it's ruining your experience with a dungeon you ran 50 times already?

[Cnidarian]

If your analogy makes sense in relation to 14, then it'd sound like one dps player was somehow playing his game with oven mits, in which he would most likely hit everything but the right button he tries to press (god forbid he was on a keyboard, he wouldn't even be playing if that's the case). For the ski boots one.....what even??? It's not like we can be inflicted with heavy for the entire dungeon run (unless you mean lag then thats completely relatable), not to mention you can't do a single thing on a soccer field other than stand as goalie with ski boots and I doubt you'd block anything. In where a dps as an ice mage, can still do more damage than a summoner's pet.

No I'm not saying being an ice mage in a dungeon is ok (it'd be an obvious joke/troll move anyway if someone did that) and yes it would slow down the progress of a dungeon, but it wouldn't make the run un-finishable.

Anyways, I was not talking about troll/joke dps members before. I'm talking about dps doing slighty lower than their full potential. As if a monk doing an entire lvl 50 dungeon run without the fist of fire stance would legitimately slow down the run so badly that you have to point it out to them as it's ruining your experience with a dungeon you ran 50 times already?

Since you want to take the analogy 100% literal (albeit extreme), it would be more in tune to playing professional soccer with tennis shoes on while everyone else is wearing cleats. Sure, you can still run around the field and kick the ball, but if there is any moisture on the field you will fall a lot and spend half the game on the ground. You also limit yourself in your maneuverability since you will not be able to take corners as tight due to not having sure footing. Overall, while you were still able to participate in the match, you really didn't contribute much and in some instances, you were most likely hindering your team (i.e. not being able to play defense properly because you fell on the ground).

[DPZ2]

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Can we lose the sports analogies? They really don't work well, since the structure behind performance in anything except a friendly game in the park is determined by a rigid set of rules enforced by a sports authority (the coach) with guidance from a rule-set that does not allow for deviation.

Video games, on the other hand, have no such requirements. Play styles differ, level of experience differs, and we all get to enjoy this wonderful game in our own way.

Some of those ways appear to make the Varsity Team players very sad. I think they'd just as soon see the game remain "pure" to their interests while it dies a well-deserved death.

I'll always play my best, but I don't even aspire to the Varsity Team.

< Dang, I blew it ... darn sports analogies ...>

[Andrea]

< Dang, I blew it ... darn sports analogies ...>

I've got a few questions for you or anyone really in this thread.

1. Do you feel Tank/DPS/Healers should at least know the basic rotation of their job when joining Duty Finder?
2. Do you feel that a Tank/DPS/Healer should give 100% in their chosen role upon joining Duty Finder? Ie Using all skills to the best of THEIR (not people who clear savage) ability? (to keep with the OPs example, popping enochian)
3. Is it fair on other people if they get stuck with someone who doesn't want to use certain skills because they don't wont to bother with it or are being lazy? Do you not find this rude in anyway?

Curious how some would answer these.

[DPZ2]

Questions

A response for you

There is not set rotation for tanks or healers, as everything is situational. I won't like it if a tank pulls 12 mobs when there are two lancers as DPS in the party [Dzamael Darkhold, I'm looking at you], but I won't immediately assume the tank is bad. I won't like it if I die during a boss fight because I manage to get in the boss's bad graces, but I won't blame the healer immediately if that happens. And I pay more attention to what I personally am doing as a DPS than to what the other DPS is doing ... I don't have the luxury of doing otherwise.

If I have the time to pay attention to someone else's rotation, it means I'm not fully engaged in what's going on, so how can I be doing my own 'personal best'.

Am I open to suggestions? Absolutely. Do I respond well to suggestions that are prefaced by rude remarks? Nope.