Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[AnaviAnael]

*snerk*
Considering as a summoner half my groups have me switching to my tank pet to save us from wipes or me switching to spamming Physick...
I do what I'm expected of my class in DF but at the same time I realize this is a Pick Up Group. Not a Raid Guild Hardcore group that has everyone's cell phones. So I don't rage on the healer not using Eos or the tank not flashing.

That's pretty sad actually, I feel your pain though. Half the time my dots rip hate off of tanks too.

Honestly, I blame the commendation system. Most seem to do pity commendations or just randomly click. If you hate the person tanking, healing or dpsing don't up their reputation at the end. Eventually they wont get in groups with you.

Actually, most people don't commend. They get done and get the heck out of the dungeon.

[Valkyrie-Amber]

I love threads like this cause its entertaining.

If you play a dps maximize your dps while advoiding as many aoes and stuff as possible.
if a tank then tank 4-8 groups at once maintain agro and use all defence cds in moderation.
if healer watch tanks hp and switch dps stance if things are going well and the dps arnt takeing meaningless hits.

fact is in a usual 4 person party tank healer and two dps, there only needs to be one good dps and most times there is one.
If your a dps person like me learn how to do as much dps as possible just incase you get a bad dps and dont complaine
cause you waste more time than its worth mostly.

if theres an afk break then offer your advice to whoever is lacking in a kind constructive way instead of saying your trash l2p
cause really I think people that say stuff like that have a trashy attertude.

[Iagainsti]

Parley.

I enjoy the Alanis Morisette reference, especially since I'm Canadian. While I do say perspective relates to your example about cultural differences, it does not correlate with the issue at hand. More or less, If someone from Asia didn't accept my gratuity, and I were to say, "What? you don't need the money? If you were a server in North America you would" more represents what happened in the OP than your example.

Long story short, I have to say you and I must agree to disagree, and I now consider you one of my good frienemies ;D

[Odett]

I also wanted to point out the hilarious circular arguments aren't adding to the discussion. Neither side is wrong but as it stands people are allowed to play however they want. Your feelings and expectations be damned. But do continue to argue against the symptoms rather than discuss the cure.

The best cure would be to go back and instill actual DPS races in max-level dungeons like they used to. Remember the bees in the original AK? Remember when 2.1 dropped and all of the new dungeons had DPS races? Remember the first boss of Copperbell HM, where you had to kill it before the entire bridge was covered in fire, and the urgency of killing the Bomb because it would wipe the group if it exploded. Remember having to kill the last boss before running out of rocks to feed the worm with? There was also Haukke HM, where in the first boss, having low DPS would eventually cause the group to be swarmed by skeleton ads, and then have the giant skeleton spawn and wreck the group with its AoE stomp attack. The last boss of Haukke HM required you to burn the ads FAST, or it was a wipe. The first boss of Pharos Sirius was a total nightmare if you had mouthbreathing DPS that couldn't kill ads, and the Zu was the same, just like Siren, where not killing the pirate ads was total chaos.

The majority of those mechanics now have been either heavily nerfed, or completely removed. People complained that casual content was "too hard", the devs were dumb enough to listen, and after that, all we got after that, and still to this day, are dungeons were you could use random skills and still win. The only thing that playing well rewards you with in casual content now is a faster run, but I guess people somehow still enjoy 40+ minute runs of the dungeons we've been spamming every day since November. Purposely playing like crap because "I don't have to do better" is fine if you're playing a single player game, but if you're playing with others, where your laziness directly affects your group members, it's just plain selfish. The "cure" to these problems would be to actually give responsibility back to DPS players in four person dungeons, and maybe then when they learn how to play their job, they'll stop wiping at Bismarck EX with full ilv210 gear.

[TheUltimateSeph]

I disagree. Doing 800 dps (as a melee dps for example) when everyone else is over 1100 is a carry in my book. Not as bad as laying dead on the ground of course, but still a carry.

Sorry I couldn't resist.

The 800 dps vs the 1,100 dps.


The bad dps truly being carried


Some people just have a warped sense of group participation I guess.

[Andrea]

Sorry I couldn't resist.

The 800 dps vs the 1,100 dps.


The bad dps truly being carried


Some people just have a warped sense of group participation I guess.

You know this is actually perfect. Sums up those who try and those who don't.

[Odett]

It's cute how some people think that 800 DPS at ilv 190+ in any 8 player endgame fight with a DPS check is not a carry. The only reason why you DON'T wipe, is because your other party members are working hard to make up for your lack of damage. If all DPS were performing as poorly as you, you would wipe as a result of not meeting the DPS check, hence the term "carry". I guess you really have nothing left to input if you use misinformation as the crux of your argument.

[Undeadfire]

It's cute how some people think that 800 DPS at ilv 190+ in any 8 player endgame fight with a DPS check is not a carry. The only reason why you DON'T wipe, is because your other party members are working hard to make up for your lack of damage. If all DPS were performing as poorly as you, you would wipe as a result of not meeting the DPS check, hence the term "carry". I guess you really have nothing left to input if you use misinformation as the crux of your argument.

A3s/A4s does you that favor, mainly A4s. You can carry in A3S if everyone else is DPS are hardcore.

[Whiteroom]

Sorry I couldn't resist.

The 800 dps vs the 1,100 dps.


The bad dps truly being carried


Some people just have a warped sense of group participation I guess.

That really depends. If the average dps needed to clear a dps check is 900, then the person doing 800 is being carried. If everyone perfoelrmed at your level, would the instance fail? If yes, you are being carried. If no, then not so much. You are not contributing as much though. In extremes, that can be viewed as a carry. Also from your prior arguments, your picture would be better suited if the dps in front was giving it everything he had, while the bad dps in back only had one hand on the bar and watching netflix on his phone in the other.

If everyone is trying, as your picture suggests, then most people out their are fine with it.

[bardaboo]

Well... last night i got called a p*ssy no life for suggesting to the monk in my lvl 50 roulette to wear str accessories instead of vit. And the whm from a different server than the monk said let him play how he wants? Where... WHAT is the mindset behind this?