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    Quote Originally Posted by Iagainsti View Post
    My response was Satirical, not in the domain of Hyperbole, get your Literary Devices in proper order.

    I view presumption as a rhetorical construct--that is, it is a predisposition of the audience toward a claim that a debater makes. So, if an affirmative case (its significance, inherency, plan, whatever) makes an argument with which the critic agrees--then the affirmative case has the presumption. If an affirmative case makes an argument with which the critic disagrees, then the negative position has presumption. So the OP, with no proof to the fact that a Bot would be running Fractal with him/her, to word the question as such instead of something more passive, makes perspective irrelevant.

    While I do agree that your example of Confirmation Bias is correct, I would argue that the original statement I quoted is also Confirmation Bias.

    He [Peter Cathcart Wason] also coined the term ``confirmation bias'' to describe the tendency for people to immediately favor information that validates their preconceptions, hypotheses and personal beliefs regardless of whether they are true or not.

    Without any proof to establish that a bot would be running Fractal, and the many posts before and afterwards stating the same without and clear proof to the statement would be confirmation bias. The Irony you speak of is lost on me, since I did not form any statement into a loaded question, nor did I presume any judgement on the speaker, I just requested proof with a side of satire.

    #ThisGirl
    Somehow I missed your response here. Personally, I'd rather we both use more simple language, given the nature of this thread and medium.

    Few things in response,

    1. I am a guy Though, i do play a female character, so just clarifying.

    2. I am sorry for starting out with "This Guy" it was a rather disrespectful opener. I've edited it out of my original post.

    3. I don't entirely get your argument of why perspective is irrelevant. I feel that it is relevant, because different perspectives change how we receive information. This can most easily be seen when looking at different cultures around the world and how they view different things. For example, if you were to tip a waiter in Japan/China, it would be viewed as offensive; whereas, if you don't tip a water in the USA it is viewed as offensive. Your personal history and experiences frame your perspective on the world, which in turn affects how things are received. This is why whether a question or not is loaded is fully based on perspective.

    4. I still fully disagree with your thoughts on confirmation bias. The poster may have exhibited confirmation bias to come to their conclusion (to which we do not know), but the conclusion itself is not confirmation bias.

    5. The reason why I argued against these posts, particularly the confirmation bias, is you simply mentioned a concept as an argument against, without actually providing anything else. Simply disregarding someones post and saying "Nope, confirmation bias." is a tad disrespectful, and I stood up for the poster as such.

    6. I concede that it may have been a poor use of Irony; however, you also had a poor use of irony
    Quote Originally Posted by Iagainsti View Post
    The irony, seeing how your attempt to derail me was far from courteous back on page 55, complete with Italics!.
    Where that would be more hypocritical than irony. However, I disagree, as I wasn't being discourteous as so much engaging in a discussion with you - with perhaps the exception of my initial words "This Guy". That said, I feel we can blame the poor use of the word Irony on Alanis Morissette.

    Quote Originally Posted by DPZ2 View Post
    Can someone please give me a source for that "90%". Please. Particularly something not pulled out of thin air?
    I believe the impreciseness of the value 90 was used specifically to convey that it's not an actual value. When suggesting that 90% of bots are BLM, one is just suggesting that the most commonly seen bots are BLMs. I do not think an actual value is reported or readily available.

    If you search for any complaint posts regarding bots, you'll often see a reference to BLM or even screenshots of them.
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