Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[Mycow8me]

It doesn't matter if the content is easy, it's not a justification for being lazy.

Faster runs are always welcome, but when half your party doesn't give a damn about others and are here just to get carried, there's just no excuse as all respect is lost.

That's what JP players have and NA/EU don't, respect and consideration for each other.

Im not gonna disagree but my post was about learning what a persons "best" is and your not going to find that in a dungeon.

The only difference between jp and na is they dont normally call ppl out on stuff openly... last i checked the jp players had public blacklists on webpages for players not to play with. I think you hold them to high, they arent much different.

Lazyiness and believing you are doing enough are two different things. Imagine doing nothing but story and dungeons all the way to 60 then jumping into say a titan or ravana extreme. Suddenly you have to try harder cause what you believed to be enough or your best isnt anymore. Challenge brings out our best. You wont find that in a dungeon. I read the first part of this thread, someone came along and said the blm was a fresh 60 and learning

[ShadowYomi]

Not saying I condone their actions but if most dps level through fates they may not know their 60 rotation well. Also at this time in the game you can't base their experience with a role on gear either. Unless this training hall is mandatory or offers something the player wants some just might not use it.

[Iagainsti]

This does actually happen though. There are quite a few bots grinding esos in 60 dungeons hoping no one will notice

Confirmation Bias. I'd love to see the proof of this if you can provide, otherwise you are just blowing smoke.

[Granyala]

made me so embarrassed at my performance I had to go back to the House dummy and "git gud" xD

Yeah ... I needed to do a bit of Dummy bashing too.... :X

[Andrea]

This does actually happen though. There are quite a few bots grinding esos in 60 dungeons hoping no one will notice

Bots mostly don't play with other people but, they join instances with other bots and teleport. And anyone who thinks bots don't have access to fractal is in denial.

[Kaurie]

Yes, so many bots will drudge throught the msq to unlock heavensward so they can ice mage their way through Fractal #keepDreamin'

I am not sure why you think that bots would not have access to Fractals. However, no where in this thread did it suggest the BLM in question was using only ice spells, so your ice mage remark doesn't really apply. It merely characterizes your response as hyperbolic.

Nope, a loaded question is a inquiry put forth with an unjustified presumption iirc, perspective is irrelevant, unless we account the perspective of the Inquirer. If we do cater to that logic, the OP can't distinguish between an uneducated player and a preprogrammed avatar, and was snide in his narrow minded view.

You replied saying that a loaded question is not based in perspective, and then state that a loaded question requires an unjustified presumption. Whether something is justified or not is definitely a matter of perspective. Justified definition as supplied by google: "having, done for, or marked by a good or legitimate reason." Whether something is good or legitimate is a matter of perspective. We can continue down the definition train, but I feel that it's rather obvious.

So to continue on with the second half of your point, the OP could not distinguish between the two. The best way to distinguish between an uneducated player and a bot is through communication. Up until that point, presumably, there was 0 communication. So all the OP understood was that the player wasn't using a complex rotation (which could be a trait of either an uneducated player, a poor player or a bot) and had not spoken. Therefore, from my perspective (and from many others in this thread), it was a completely legitimate and justified presumption.

Confirmation Bias. I'd love to see the proof of this if you can provide, otherwise you are just blowing smoke.

I am not sure if you know what confirmation bias is. As defined, again searched by google, "in psychology and cognitive science, confirmation bias (or confirmatory bias) is a tendency to search for or interpret information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions, leading to statistical errors."

The person you quoted merely said (what they believe to be) a fact and didn't provide any evidence or any information that could be confirmation bias. They simply made a statement which they believe to be true. For example, I could say that 'all dogs are male'. This is just a statement and there was no confirmation bias present. If I were to say, "I saw 5 dogs today and they each had a penis; therefore, all dogs are male." That would be confirmation bias. In the context of bots, if the person you quoted said, "I saw someone using only a 50's BLM rotation and never spoke, so bots do exist." That would be confirmation bias. Ironically, in this you are applying an unjustified presumption upon the person you quoted.

[Eylirria]

How roulettes feel more often than not:

[DPZ2]

This does actually happen though. There are quite a few bots grinding esos in 60 dungeons hoping no one will notice

How do you know this? Did one respond 'yes' when you asked "is this a bot?" ... inquiring minds want to know.

[TheUltimateSeph]

I seriously doubt that the BLM in OPs screen shot was intentionally trying to slow down the run by not using Enochian. I also seriously doubt that the vast majority of "lazy" players in the duty finder are being "lazy" because they want to slow the run down and make everyone else mad. Yes when you go into Multiplayer content you are no longer alone and everyone else matters but this doesn't give you license to tell others how to play. If a player wants to role play an ice Mage in a level 60 dungeon they should have every right. This is something players need to accept they may come across when they enter a group of random people. If the thought really bothers you this much you are better off joining the dungeon with a premade of friends where you know everyone shares the same idea of fun. I joined in progress Saint whatever's Arbetorium (don't know spelling of it right now) at 0 minutes elapsed. I noticed the tank was doing extremely small pulls but after a couple minutes I began to notice all the scenery in the dungeon and thought "you know this is actually a nice change of pace". The devs put a ton of work into the awesome scenery inside these dungeons that I'll bet most people don't even notice because it's all about speed now days. Maybe we should have all our graphics be old and boxy instead, they could crank out the content way faster and probably increase the fps too. Also, at first glance 5% dmg boost from Enochian may look so small many people don't see the point.

[Ryan2714]

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If you want to role play in a dungeon why dont you make yourself a party with people hava a same idea with you instead of bother the other 3 random players that unlucky in a same party with you ? You paid for your game, they paid for their game too then why they have to make themself a party to clear daily roulette while you "Oh i want to role play, i will go to pf and do what i want ignoring the other players cause this is my game, this is my playstyle "
I have met a blm before, he use only ice spells and when someone said to him "What are you doing ? Do you know how to play blm? " he said "oh sr i just try to be a ice mage", know what happened next ? We all laugh and clear that dungeon with him, ofc it took longer than usual and we got wiped twice at final boss cause ice damage is not enough to kill the bomb fast ( the 3rd time, the mch have to use lb to shoot down 2 bombs at the same time ). It's not what you wanna play, what your playstyle, it's your attitude. If in that moment when someone said "What are you doing ? Do you know how to play blm? " and he said back something like "Deal with it, this is my game, this is how i want to play" things have gone to a very different way.