Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[Guasta_Ryets]

Some people just wanna lazily get through some content without hearing other people tell them what to do. Deal with it or get kicked. You could always try to kick them first for their crap too. This happens in a lot of online games. Play style and attitude vendettas. Also not sure if you can block chat in DF yet but even then not everyone would use it. Surely the blm sucks but you're here posting about being kicked so you probably should've just done with Gramul said and not taken it all so seriously.

[Alahra]

It was enough for me to decide to never play my BLM again after pouring countless hours in to it at 50 and leveling it to 60 / getting the 200 relic for it etc.

It's funny because I'm in the opposite boat. I played BLM seriously for a few months back at 50 (during 2.1, I want to say), and was considering making it my main for awhile, but I got bored with it. But, I got pretty curious about Enochian recently (and also wanted to see if I would like it more than SMN so I could have a caster for glamours that I would actually use) and took BLM to 60 finally, and I'm having more fun with BLM now than I do most other DPS. It's definitely a pain to maintain everything at times, but I've found that the high from actually successfully managing it on a movement-heavy fight is well worth the effort.

I know several career BLMs that abandoned it in favor of SMN though, and I can totally see why they did.

[Ossom]

People act like Enochian is the hardest concept in the game. All you have to do is make sure you can get a Bliz 4 off before the time hits 0. That's it, you don't even have to maintain it for more than 2 Bliz 2s because it will be back up before the 3rd set. Not sure why people act like that is game breaking.

[TheUltimateSeph]

If you want to role play in a dungeon why dont you make yourself a party with people hava a same idea with you instead of bother the other 3 random players that unlucky in a same party with you ? You paid for your game, they paid for their game too then why they have to make themself a party to clear daily roulette while you "Oh i want to role play, i will go to pf and do what i want ignoring the other players cause this is my game, this is my playstyle "
I have met a blm before, he use only ice spells and when someone said to him "What are you doing ? Do you know how to play blm? " he said "oh sr i just try to be a ice mage", know what happened next ? We all laugh and clear that dungeon with him, ofc it took longer than usual and we got wiped twice at final boss cause ice damage is not enough to kill the bomb fast ( the 3rd time, the mch have to use lb to shoot down 2 bombs at the same time ). It's not what you wanna play, what your playstyle, it's your attitude. If in that moment when someone said "What are you doing ? Do you know how to play blm? " and he said back something like "Deal with it, this is my game, this is how i want to play" things have gone to a very different way.

Well I don't personally role play ice mage in dungeons o.0. I also generally try to push myself to the max of what I'm capable of with my current understanding of the classes I do play (and find it hilarious when doing so leads me to rip hate off tanks resulting in my death) but there are no rules saying someone has to (for sake of example) use Enochian in a Duty Finder Group, or that they can't play as an ice mage. Party Finder groups and other private groups often do have set rules for a person to join.

This is probably not the best analogy but I personally like to think of the Duty Finder as a public toilet in that sure you would like for it to be the way you want it to every time you go in but inevitably you are going to come across one were someone has done something or is in the process of doing something you very strongly disapprove of. Is there a solution? Sure! Don't use public toilets. Can you complain about it? Absolutely! But in the end it's up to management (Square Enix) to decide to do anything about it or not. You certainty don't have the right to tell that person what they can and can't do in the toilet, the owners of the toilet get to make that call, and have yet to make such rules regarding the use of their toilet.

[Alistaire]

Man, a lot of people are really passionate about being bad at this game. smh

[Granyala]

If a player wants to role play an ice Mage in a level 60 dungeon they should have every right. This is something players need to accept they may come across when they enter a group of random people.

No. Just ... NO.
This is a false statement and I have -0- sympathy for it.

Role play is one thing, crippling your output and making everyone suffer for it is another. Also, if you truly want to hardcore RP in a dungeon, get a custom group with likeminded people (good luck with that one).

People are expected to hold to a minimum standard rotation in group content in order to achieve acceptable output. No on is asking for extreme minmax or elite skills in random content, but purposefully gimping yourself is unacceptable.

Also, at first glance 5% dmg boost from Enochian may look so small many people don't see the point.

I never used Enochian pre 60, because 5% ... who cares. However at 60 it becomes mandatory because: Fire IV. Trust me, I hate the Enochian system as much as the next guy, it basically ruined the fun of playing BLM for me completely, but there is no way around it.

People act like Enochian is the hardest concept in the game. All you have to do is make sure you can get a Bliz 4 off before the time hits 0. That's it, you don't even have to maintain it for more than 2 Bliz 2s because it will be back up before the 3rd set. Not sure why people act like that is game breaking.

It's not hard, it's frustrating. Esp when you consider the abysmal buff tracking UI in this game. Watching some tiny timer like a hawk is simply put, not fun. Add to that weird UI delays and casting delays due to waiting time upon buff application and the whole thing simply feels clunky and non-fluid.

Also the timers are so tight, that movement at the wrong time can completely screw you over.

[Ciri_Wolf]

This circle-jerk still going. I like how OP "forgot" to mention that the tank was the one he was fighting. And this massive circle-jerk is almost longer than FFXIV story xD

[Natashio]

This circle-jerk still going. I like how OP "forgot" to mention that the tank was the one he was fighting. And this massive circle-jerk is almost longer than FFXIV story xD

It's what people do in video games. Endlessly argue over nothing until someone finally gives up. Don't worry they'll get over it.

[Alistaire]

This circle-jerk still going. I like how OP "forgot" to mention that the tank was the one he was fighting. And this massive circle-jerk is almost longer than FFXIV story xD

How's that even relevant? DPS being bad on purpose makes everyone's job harder.

You're right though, this is the biggest circle jerk of people defending bad gameplay I've seen in a while, even for here.

[Archaell]

This circle-jerk still going. I like how OP "forgot" to mention that the tank was the one he was fighting. And this massive circle-jerk is almost longer than FFXIV story xD

Well this thread is less about the OP and more about the community standards. Unless the players stop overreacting, being bad and start treating the randoms in DF like people, topics like this one are going to flourish.