Don't be "that DPS"

[Rawrz]

This! People get so up tight about doing their jobs that it seems as though they forget they're running in an actual party. Pop those enmity cooldowns and help the tank and the rest of the party out. Just today, I had to pop a few enmity cooldowns 'cause I kept ripping the aggro off of the tank 'cause that could cause a wipe if the healer has to then focus on healing the tank, me, and trying to keep aggro off of themselves as well but even then, the healer has enmity cooldowns as well...as everyone else. Please don't act like the tank is the only one responsible for aggro maintenance; you're in a party so working together in every aspect is recommended.

I dont have any enmity Cool downs on SCH. Selene doesnt Generate/split aggro like Eos can. :C #BuffPLsScholartooWeak

[Artemiz]

As a Ninja, if I get bored and decide it's time to pull, you're pulling whether you like it or not. Shade + Huton and it's all yours.

As a tank I pull certain enemies, in certain ways at certain times to certain places, all in the name of organisation. When DPS "get bored" and pull for me they almost always cock everything up. Like the BLM in DD earlier today who thought he'd speed things up by pulling a toad into the group we where fighting, as a result the DRG got knocked off the ledge and KO'd, slowing everything down more than if he'd let me do my job.

Just let the tank pull, he's probably more in tune with the healer anyway which might be why he's not pulling half the dungeon at a time. If you get tired of slow tanks then level one yourself and do it yourself.

[DarkerOrange]

Yeah, I hate that. I'm a PLD, so I only have Flash and Scorn, and Scorn being a CD makes it tough sometimes, only to then be flagged as a bad tank.

I had a NIN use B4B, Kassatsu + Raiton as I was running towards the Oppressor. Jeez, at least use Shadewalker first.

I haven't read the whole thread yet, but I just thought I would say that any NIN who opens with Raiton and uses Kassatsu when ninjitsu is not on CD is a terrible NIN regardless.

[Malicewolf]

Well, I main a PLD, and I just leveled up a NIN. As a tank, I always keep track of my CoS CD. If i see a trash mob is close to dead (or going to die before my CoS is reset) I simply save it. The reason being exactly this topic. I shield lob, flash, then CoS. This gives me a good hold on everything if I notice DPS are hitting everything hard immediately upon pulls. Sometimes even pop FoF before CoS as well if it's really bad. This usually gives me enough time to start going through my enmity rotation to hold (granted, i also STR tank, so that may help as well). Usually I can hold, but no doubt, it can be tough if DPS go with huge openers.

Now, the reason I brought up NIN is because I now understand their point of view as well. As a NIN in a lvl 50+ dungeon, I REALLY started disliking slow tanks who decide to wait a minute between every pull. Because my Huton only lasts 1 minute! It's really annoying that they wait JUST long enough for it to wear off, then I pop a new one (wasting my ninjitsu CD for a bit or forced to use kassatsu) and they pull. I can just continue my huton indefinitely (practically) if you move at even a semi decent pace. But I'm also a BIG proponent of mitigation as a tank... If the healer ain't putting stoneskins on the party, I will hold us up to do so.

And Raiton isn't that bad in comparison to a well placed sneak or trick attack with a suiton. I've ripped hate off tanks real quick with those when Shadewalker was on CD and I do it early.

[Istede]

Frankly I am tired of people being coddled. PLD does have issues with AoE threat, and yeah, sometimes people behave inappropriately in instances, but everyone is so quick to /soothe rather than address the issues.

It is important to be considerate of other peoples\\' time when you are running an instance, especially in duty finder. If someone is putting in effort and not quite measuring up, that\\'s okay. The issue is that about half of those people become angry when you try to give them some constructive critcism, or politely ask them to perform a basic function of their role.

This is not an elitist attitude, it is a courteous one. I am coming ready to play. I will do my best to make the run as fast and as painless as possible. I expect the same from everyone else. Yes people can act inappropriately, but 9 times out of 10 what I see are people who don\\'t even read the tooltips on their skills and expect a trophy for merely showing up.

[Ephier]

Frankly I am tired of people being coddled. PLD does have issues with AoE threat, and yeah, sometimes people behave inappropriately in instances, but everyone is so quick to /soothe rather than address the issues.

It is important to be considerate of other peoples\\' time when you are running an instance, especially in duty finder. If someone is putting in effort and not quite measuring up, that\\'s okay. The issue is that about half of those people become angry when you try to give them some constructive critcism, or politely ask them to perform a basic function of their role.

This is not an elitist attitude, it is a courteous one. I am coming ready to play. I will do my best to make the run as fast and as painless as possible. I expect the same from everyone else. Yes people can act inappropriately, but 9 times out of 10 what I see are people who don\\'t even read the tooltips on their skills and expect a trophy for merely showing up.

Istede just ended the thread. That is all.

[HoodRat]

My favorite one is when tanks spend 5 minutes marking every mob before every trash pull thinking it will help them keep aggro, then they facepull the group and only attack a single mob so when I multidot and aoe, I become the tank.

[Almalexia]

Why not open with Flash?

[nitaZ28]

Tanks learn nothing while leveling if everyone gave them a head start in threat. Leveling your class is indicative to learning it as well. Not everyone will be kind and give you multiple GCD's worth of threat, so you might as well learn how to deal with it while you aren't competing with 210's for threat.

DPS learn nothing while leveling if everyone gave them protection by holding threat. Leveling your class is indicative to learning it as well. Not everyone will be kind and give you multiple GCD's worth of taunt, so you might as well learn how to deal with it while you aren't competing with endgame mobs that will 2 shot your irresponsible, lazy DPS *(#@/.

[nitaZ28]

...Please don't act like the tank is the only one responsible for aggro maintenance; you're in a party so working together in every aspect is recommended.

But this isn't the way "that" DPS (which let's be honest, is 99% of the DPS players because they are lazy and irresponsible. That's why they don't play a tank or healer, but that's another discussion) thinks.

"It's the tank's job to keep aggro, no matter how stupid, lazy, or irresponsibly I play."

Along with

"It's the healer's job to heal me, no matter how stupid, lazy, or irresponsibly I play."

This encompasses the entire litany of DPS issues, and why most tanks/healers don't like em and only tolerate them to get the dungeon done faster.