Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[ardrej]

So healers get chastised for not DPSing, but a DPS that's not using the full extent of their abilities gets a free pass. Huh.

This. Give this man a cookie

[Anienai]

A ton of Balmung players posting here.

[Ashkendor]

I'm probably misunderstanding you. Are you comparing something involving real life work like gardening to grinding tomestones for progress in a game and implying that gardening is easy while playing the game for progresses sake should be taken more seriously?

They're talking about ingame gardening, which is pretty simple.

[Andrea]

I'm probably misunderstanding you. Are you comparing something involving real life work like gardening to grinding tomestones for progress in a game and implying that gardening is easy while playing the game for progresses sake should be taken more seriously?

He's saying gardening in game i believe. And I agree with him, its 100% rude to go in and waste other peoples time because "I didn't feel like using my buffs" or "Im feeling lazy today, less than 400DPS it is."

[TheUltimateSeph]

As was already posted in this thread. And every other thread like it:

Hope this isn't a double post, my post about not being embarrassed wasn't supposed to be taken as I just don't give a damn. It means I'm not going to let it get to me or make a big deal out of not knowing things about the game or performing to others standards. I will always try to play my classes better but if I screw something up or not play a class right I'm not going to be embarrassed about it. If that makes sense. Also please stop with the stupid tic tac toe reference. I see the point you are trying to make but honestly ffxiv is way more complex then tic tac toe and it really doesn't fit this scenario.

[dragonkyn20]

All right, I got halfway through this thread before stopping so I can post.

First off, in TheUltimateSeph's case, it can be very easy to miss out on the job quests UNLESS you decided to max out one of the new jobs for the expansion. Most of the players new and/or old upon reaching HW when it released wanted to jump into the new stuff asap, which was all done in the new HW areas. Unless you were a DRK, MCH, or AST, no job quests from the other prior jobs took place in Ishgard. Sure, the quests will lead the player into the new areas, but the quests themselves were always right where they initially ended in 2.0.

Now as far as the OP is concerned, he was a bit dickish in his wording, but the tank in particular took it as a personal insult and instead of talking it out like a normal person should do, decided to reciprocate the dick feeling and kicked OP out. Two wrongs don't make a right, no matter the reason.

[Cherie]

People in general expect far too much from random grouping.

Not really, if you had four people that all behaved the way described in the same group, they would likely not be able to finish the dungeon. They expect someone else to pick up the slack for them and that is annoying.

Something like that happened today, I was leveling my astro and was in Quarn via a roulette. Bard plays ballad the ENTIRE run, I ask him politely to stop: "Thank you for playing ballad, however, I don't need it for this dungeon, you can turn it off and focus dps". He doesn't respond, and after he goes and faceplants and dies from not following the group a few times, he turns it back on immediately when he rezzes.

Then first boss, it's the boss that puts "Doom" on people and they have to go clear it by stepping on the square. Everyone but me dies, then wipe, try again. I explain how it works, no one says anything back to me. Everyone dies again....etc.

I've come to expect people to either say something incredibly rude or not talk at all.

"If you don't have anything horrible to say,then don't say anything at all" right?

I just leave dungeons like that. I give everyone a fair shot to do what they are supposed to do, but after a few tries or someone mouths off, I just leave and take the penalty. It's my right to leave after all. I don't need any heavy handed person telling me it's my duty to try to carry people that won't listen/communicate or even be polite.

[Andrea]

Hope this isn't a double post, my post about not being embarrassed wasn't supposed to be taken as I just don't give a damn. It means I'm not going to let it get to me or make a big deal out of not knowing things about the game or performing to others standards. I will always try to play my classes better but if I screw something up or not play a class right I'm not going to be embarrassed about it. If that makes sense. Also please stop with the stupid tic tac toe reference. I see the point you are trying to make but honestly ffxiv is way more complex then tic tac toe and it really doesn't fit this scenario.

No one has a problem with people trying like you said you do. Its when people are just to lazy to bother theres problems. ANd the tic tac toe reference does indeed fit this scenario. Replace tic tac toe with rotations in FFXIV and it's pretty much the same.

[Ilitsa]

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It's got nothing to do with "SJW's" or anything. Hell we're even in agreement that something needs to be done for players not performing as well as they could be, What I won't accept, is blatant disregard for other people. It's got nothing to do with being "afraid of hurting feelings" It's got to do with the fact I was raised by my parents to have MANNERS when speaking to another person. Would you walk up to an employee at a store, knock stuff out of their hands and tell them they're shit because they're not doing at as fast as someone else whose been there several years doing the same thing? No. You wouldn't (I'd hope not at least). I treat people online the same way I treat people irl. With compassion. With respect. Until they give me a reason to not do so.

[Andrea]

I treat people online the same way I treat people irl. With compassion. With respect. Until they give me a reason to not do so.

This ^. First offer advice in a way that isn't rude, if they reply in a rude way or don't wish to change how they play kick them. Don't say anything back at all just kick them. If they want to waste peoples time and be rude about it even after they've been informed so be it, but its back to the queue for them.