Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[Andrea]

Hope this isn't a double post, my post about not being embarrassed wasn't supposed to be taken as I just don't give a damn. It means I'm not going to let it get to me or make a big deal out of not knowing things about the game or performing to others standards. I will always try to play my classes better but if I screw something up or not play a class right I'm not going to be embarrassed about it. If that makes sense. Also please stop with the stupid tic tac toe reference. I see the point you are trying to make but honestly ffxiv is way more complex then tic tac toe and it really doesn't fit this scenario.

No one has a problem with people trying like you said you do. Its when people are just to lazy to bother theres problems. ANd the tic tac toe reference does indeed fit this scenario. Replace tic tac toe with rotations in FFXIV and it's pretty much the same.

[Archaell]

Also please stop with the stupid tic tac toe reference. I see the point you are trying to make but honestly ffxiv is way more complex then tic tac toe and it really doesn't fit this scenario.

It acutally fits really well. The tic tac toe aside, the attitude is spot on.

The game is a multiplayer game. It would be nice if people realised that when you decide to underperform, someone else has to pick up your slack.

At first low dps might not seem like a big issue, the things just die at slower rate, right? But the slow speed is actually making it harder for both the tank and healer. With bad dps the tank has to tank longer, which means more damage, which means the healer has to heal more, which means the healer and tank can dps less, which makes the run even slower. Basically one bad player is not just forcing others to the work, this person is also decreasing the performance of the whole team.

[Whiteroom]

Hope this isn't a double post, my post about not being embarrassed wasn't supposed to be taken as I just don't give a damn. It means I'm not going to let it get to me or make a big deal out of not knowing things about the game or performing to others standards. I will always try to play my classes better but if I screw something up or not play a class right I'm not going to be embarrassed about it. If that makes sense. Also please stop with the stupid tic tac toe reference. I see the point you are trying to make but honestly ffxiv is way more complex then tic tac toe and it really doesn't fit this scenario.

If you don't think it fits then you actually don't understand it.

It is very fitting to this conversation and your response to it. Knowning your skills is the easiest thing in the game. They all have discriptions of exactly what they do. You only get one at a time, and you get to practice with it for two whole levels before you get a new one.

Btw, no one, aside from some derpy few is aking people to preform perfect rotations in df, just to preform decently, which happens less often then you may think.

(Also, a half decent rotation isn't much more complicated than tic tac toe.)

[Aomine1992]

"Come at me stupid bard"

For some reason I almost died at this part lol to funny....
That BLM gave no f***s lol

Back to the very unimportant topic at hand and I say that as these post make no difference cause I bet u finished the dungeon with that BLM and the other members seemed like they wanted to just finish without all the drama...

Moral of story bads will be bad and nothing will change that sorry my friend but there will be plenty more ice mages and non Enochian mages in your future if you continually use DF...

[dragonkyn20]

All right, I got halfway through this thread before stopping so I can post.

First off, in TheUltimateSeph's case, it can be very easy to miss out on the job quests UNLESS you decided to max out one of the new jobs for the expansion. Most of the players new and/or old upon reaching HW when it released wanted to jump into the new stuff asap, which was all done in the new HW areas. Unless you were a DRK, MCH, or AST, no job quests from the other prior jobs took place in Ishgard. Sure, the quests will lead the player into the new areas, but the quests themselves were always right where they initially ended in 2.0.

Now as far as the OP is concerned, he was a bit dickish in his wording, but the tank in particular took it as a personal insult and instead of talking it out like a normal person should do, decided to reciprocate the dick feeling and kicked OP out. Two wrongs don't make a right, no matter the reason.

[RiceisNice]

First off, in TheUltimateSeph's case, it can be very easy to miss out on the job quests UNLESS you decided to max out one of the new jobs for the expansion. Most of the players new and/or old upon reaching HW when it released wanted to jump into the new stuff asap, which was all done in the new HW areas. Unless you were a DRK, MCH, or AST, no job quests from the other prior jobs took place in Ishgard. Sure, the quests will lead the player into the new areas, but the quests themselves were always right where they initially ended in 2.0.

You're really stretching it though if the implication is that you get no new skills for the entity of 50-60, which comes with an entire expansion, when previously you gained skills from your job NPC every 5 levels.At that point you're either severely tunnel visioning or you just didn't care for it (especially if it's going to the point of level 60, since this is the general range of the discussion). Not to mention the problem with the post you're referring to his that he basically coined knowing the fact that "you get new skills as you level" is elitism.

I mean there's benefit of the doubt, but there's even reasonable limits for that, nor was this example nessescarly relevant to the OP (where the problem was someone choosing not to use a skill and lowered their damage output as a result)

[dragonkyn20]

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I'm aware it wasn't relevant to the OP, but it didn't stop the countless other posters ripping Seph a new hole for being ignorant of his job. Not everyone pays attention to the obvious, sadly. Otherwise we wouldn't be having all these issues in the first place.

Also to further specify, there are those who are new to MMOs but are familiar with RPGs. Quite a few RPGs don't allow learning new skills past 50, so it's perfectly reasonable to assume the same, even though the assumption is wrong.

[RiceisNice]

I'm aware it wasn't relevant to the OP, but it didn't stop the countless other posters ripping Seph a new hole for being ignorant of his job. Not everyone pays attention to the obvious, sadly. Otherwise we wouldn't be having all these issues in the first place.

Partially because not being relevant is anotehr issue all together, and the fact that he practically labeled this expectation as "elitism", which is already a nasty can of worms in this community and further exasperates the rift between apparent "filthy casuals" (casuasl) and "elitists" (hardcore). It ended up not contributing much and somehow justify willful ignorance of your job mechanics.

[AnaviAnael]

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Rice, I swear to God, if I ever met you irl I'd buy you a beer. A big one. Please don't change and keep being awesome.

[dragonkyn20]

Partially because not being relevant is anotehr issue all together, and the fact that he practically labeled this expectation as "elitism", which is already a nasty can of worms in this community and further exasperates the rift between apparent "filthy casuals" (casuasl) and "elitists" (hardcore). It ended up not contributing much and somehow justify willful ignorance of your job mechanics.

Yeah, that bit of him calling it elitism was uncalled for, I'll give you that.