Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[Belhi]

I said it once already in this thread and I'll repeat it.

If you chose to use DF then you should expect at least some of the time to run into poor players. That is just a reality of grouping with completely random people. Nothing you say or do will change that.

If you run into these players you have 3 choices. First is to Vote Dismiss and hope it goes your way. Second is to Leave group. Third is to simply soldier on and finish the dungeon. That is it. There is no way you can or ever will be able to force players to get better at playing or force poor players to not use DF. You can complain about it till the cows come home and it still won't change a thing.

Simply put, recognise your 3 choices and make your peace with whatever you decide. All you do by getting worked up over it is at best stress yourself out and at worse end up getting accused of harassment. By all means try and give other players advice if you think they can do better but don't expect people to always listen or take that advice.

[Andrea]

If you chose to use DF then you should expect at least some of the time to run into poor players.

I completely agree with everything you said. Sadly the game we play has a pretty big population of people who apparently cannot read and must mash their way through stuff without learning what they should actually be doing and don't react well to criticism at all.

We also have a group of people who don't offer advice or constructive criticism in a good way at all.

I feel if duty finder level of skill improved you'd find more people using it. I myself will only use it as a last resort as I've grown tired of seeing me out DPS the DPS as my scholar.

[AnaviAnael]

I said it once already in this thread and I'll repeat it.

If you chose to use DF then you should expect at least some of the time to run into poor players. That is just a reality of grouping with completely random people. Nothing you say or do will change that.

And you know what? You're absolutely right. With any online game, you're going to have people who play poorly. My argument, and I believe the argument of a lot of people here, is that this is happening more and more frequently. I rip hate all the time off tanks as SMN, healers refuse to remove debuffs, people using auto attack and not positioning for certain moves...I think people are at their breaking points.

[RickXRolled]

I got kicked recently for tanking with str accesories and dropping tank stance on bosses with a heal onry healer. He said wannabe dps tanks trigger him. I told him healers that don't dps trigger me. Shortly after that I was removed from duty.
Atleast I could laugh about it.

Another time I was healing as a scholar and dpsing during mass pulls, tank would often dip below 3k hp before I healed him. I made sure he never died while still contributing to dps, yet he took offense to being below half health allot and starting raging at me. He told me I suck because I can't keep his hp up. I tried to explain what I was doing, but got kicked before I could finish.

Tldr;
Some terrible players can't handle good play and kick the good player.

[EnoraTaqa]

I got kicked recently for tanking with str accesories and dropping tank stance on bosses with a heal onry healer. He said wannabe dps tanks trigger him. I told him healers that don't dps trigger me. Shortly after that I was removed from duty.
Atleast I could laugh about it.

Another time I was healing as a scholar and dpsing during mass pulls, tank would often dip below 3k hp before I healed him. I made sure he never died while still contributing to dps, yet he took offense to being below half health allot and starting raging at me. He told me I suck because I can't keep his hp up. I tried to explain what I was doing, but got kicked before I could finish.

Tldr;
Some terrible players can't handle good play and kick the good player.

There. No matter what you do, you think you are doing the right thing (and you were, except with STR acc as Tank when I'm healing <- joking)

And you get kicked for whatever doesn't please the rest of them.

So, you grow tired of their [....] and simply choose to go along.

Lots will have lost their will, I hope you will continue to play the way you are.

But for them, you were the terrible player. It's a catch 22.

[Vivi_Bushido]

Gear doesn't fix stupid.

[Critical-Limit]

stuff

Let's assume for one second that you're dealing with someone who hasn't games since they were 5 like a lot of people.

Let's assume they play beat em up games. Let's also say they get % buff moves they can use to more easily down enemies. If the conditions to win are literally only "kill bad guys" they aren't going to care about the speed at which they die as long as the game says "you won" so if they find spamming 2-3 moves instead of the whole arsenal enough for victory they won't feel the need to do more cuz they are meeting the win condition.

They don't think about someone out there beat the same game in half the time by using tools efficiently. The game never let them know " you're doing it wrong"

They jump on FF. They are able
To get to 60 without ever using say blood for blood. Sometimes YES these people need some explaining and a new mindset. Casual games getting easier and easier and killing self improve mindsets.

[Reilyn]

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All confirmation the game isn't at fault for people not understanding the basics.

I'm so very tired of people saying the game doesn't teach the player, when it does. The game is at fault for not compelling people to use what they learned more, but that should be human nature to do so, but people are just not driven enough by themselves.

Yep. The first one asked for Fuma Shrkn. The one asks for Raiton. The last one asks for Doton but I'm not 100%

There was one for koton at the same time as raiton, and there's raiton-revisited in the HW ninja class quest.

The most the NIN quests are guilty of is not holding the player's hand through huton, and suiton use as they did with fuma, and raiton, but I wanted to do more damage, so I learned.

[Kacho_Nacho]

Let's assume for one second that you're dealing with someone who hasn't games since they were 5 like a lot of people.

Let's assume they play beat em up games. Let's also say they get % buff moves they can use to more easily down enemies. If the conditions to win are literally only "kill bad guys" they aren't going to care about the speed at which they die as long as the game says "you won" so if they find spamming 2-3 moves instead of the whole arsenal enough for victory they won't feel the need to do more cuz they are meeting the win condition.

They don't think about someone out there beat the same game in half the time by using tools efficiently. The game never let them know " you're doing it wrong"

They jump on FF. They are able to get to 60 without ever using say blood for blood. Sometimes YES these people need some explaining and a new mindset. Casual games getting easier and easier and killing self improve mindsets.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. While I understand the frustration of the better players, who take the time to read tooltips and whatnot, there are a lot of people who feel beating the bad guy is good enough.

It does no good to get into the mindset that they should know all their abilities and rotation. The "beat them up" player is usually not interested in such things. They aren't interested in efficiency.

They just want to "win."

Now, over time a "beat them up" player can be guided to become a better player but getting upset because "they should have known what to do already" just makes things unpleasant for everyone.

Anyways, everyone should take a nice, long breath, hold it for ten seconds, then let it out. This thread is getting a bit too salty.

[Pomelo]

The fact of the matter is this.

FF is a game based around time. We have weekly locks, nodes that spawn based on time, crops that spawn on time, houses that demolish with time, everything is a time sink.

People who play sub optimally are wasting the MOST precious currency in the game which is Time. This is why people get so angry when others play badly, because you cannot get time back, once its used it is gone.