Can we please stop locking content out of DF?

[MeiUshu]

Because DF takes nothing into account as far as party composition and experience, which is an important factor in progression raiding. On top of that, if you happen to get a party where you somehow make some progress you'll never get to see those players again to build on that progress/teamwork once the Duty ends, leading you back to square one.

BUT again that is how YOU see it. Like someone said, some of us dont mind to run into non experienced, non knowledgables, low geared /poorly geared people. Besides, YOU DONT HAVE to use DF if you dont want to, today we dont have that choice. Leave those that want to use DF to them and you keep doing waht you hve been doing DONT USE DF. How hard is that ?? seriously ?

[Callback]

secondary classes a grind? up to 50 you can reach it in no time and I mean it no time (like 1 or 2 day?) from 50 to 60 is relatively fast too just slightly more demanding is all (provided you have already a class maximized)

What the hell kind of super-secret fountain of EXP are you tapping for that? Share your secret so I can put this LNC to bed once and for all!

[Kaurie]

I've looked at a few, I don't see anything in them that seems too special from the outside.


Also I'm not "doing" Alex and Void Ark, I did them, got bored, and now I'm done with them. I just want to move on to the next step up whatever it is. The problem being that according to people here, that step doesn't actually follow in order as you would expect, but rather has a 100 hour buffer of the easiest most boring stuff in the game before I have the gear and cross-class skills to meet the requirements.

That isn't true. If you did Void Ark and Alex NM, then you should have at least some 200 and 190 gear + esoterics to buffer. As soon as you are 190+, I'd say you're fine to step into A1S. Keep on doing Void Ark/NM/Eso purchases to gear up as you try to progress.

DPS checks shouldn't exist anyway. They just measure gear with no regard for skill. I have yet to see a thing in this game where skill was a factor, that's why I'm so against this combat system. It feels like I'm playing a clicker game, just watching the numbers get bigger as nothing really changes.

Partly true, but not fully. There is a large skill gap in this game. I've personally seen people in gear 10-20 ilvls lower outDPS the higher geared person. Knowing and being able to execute your rotation, while handling mechanics, while managing cooldowns/stacks/buffs given down-times of the fight etc does take some skill.

Then why does it take so long to earn (both rate and cap) in only the most boring of ways? And to compound the boredom they limit the roulette for it to only 2 choices of dungeons. This feels like the kind of thing that should be giving like 100 base with a 200 first-timer bonus, uncapped, for running ravana or bismarck EX (which REALLY should be DF)

This is limited by cap to prevent people from being in 210 gear in one week. Esoterics are given in almost all end game content, more than just DF. Void Ark, Alex NM, Alex Savage, Thordan EX, Ravana EX, Bismark EX, PvP, Expert Roulette, 60 Roulette, Leveling Roulette, Trials Roulette, PvP Roulette. Heck if you do PvP Roulette (40 Eso) + Expert Roulette (75 Eso) each day, you'll be capped on Eso in 4 days. That's like 45 minutes a day, give or take.

Not purposely, that would be having the skill and refusing to use it. I just don't have it.

You are purposely refusing to get it, is all. Cross Class skills is actually a great feature of this game, because it encourages you to try out all of the jobs. I found that I liked a lot more of them than I initially gave them credit for. I hated DRG at first, but it was pretty fun after I forced myself to level it up for B4B for my BRD.

It's not that I haven't started on it. Why does it take so long to unlock? Why are secondary classes such a grind? Obviously if I've gotten this far on my main he content my LNC is being forced to do is boring and easy as hell. He's 29/34 and it's the dullest thing to do. I've resorted to just accepting leves and letting someone else actually run them while I play Mario Maker, but those allowances run dry fairly quickly. Is there something faster?

I feel you may be leveling inefficiently. It's quite quick to level up - at the very least you can just run Leveling Roulette each day and get a level that way (it pretty much gives ~1 level per run each day sub 50). As for your comment about leves, I could see why you may find it hard to find people to play with.

BUT again that is how YOU see it. Like someone said, some of us dont mind to run into non experienced, non knowledgables, low geared /poorly geared people. Besides, YOU DONT HAVE to use DF if you dont want to, today we dont have that choice. Leave those that want to use DF to them and you keep doing waht you hve been doing DONT USE DF. How hard is that ?? seriously ?

What I don't get is the lockout clearly promotes elitism, in that only people with statics and of the upper elite are able to even enter - nevermind clear. It kind of goes opposite to the rest of the entire FFXIV mentality. Other than changing how the loot lockout works, I don't see why there would be a problem in having them in DF on release.

[Eight]

I agree with this. It's dumb to lock it out and it's not just Gilgamesh that this problem exists. Almost everything in PF requires experience and even creating a PF never fills up. While I agree DF is much harder to clear then a pre-made, just being able to go in and get a feel for some of the phases really helps and I don't mind wiping over and over if it gets me enough experience to move forward.

I find I'm much less excited for any content like this simply because I can never access it no matter what I try and because of my work schedule by time I get to work on it people have already cleared or want experienced people which leaves me out of luck. I could honestly care less about the next primal simply because the same thing will happen.

If the solution is move servers then something is clearly wrong with the design of the game.

[UBERHAXED]

DPS checks shouldn't exist anyway. They just measure gear with no regard for skill. I have yet to see a thing in this game where skill was a factor, that's why I'm so against this combat system. It feels like I'm playing a clicker game, just watching the numbers get bigger as nothing really changes.

How is it that people with less gear (i.e. in July) cleared A3S and people with (obviously) more gear and available strategies in January (for example, you) have not cleared it? If dps checks solely measure gear, then it would be impossible to do in 6 months ago and everyone would have cleared it by September. Do you really not see the fallacy here?

[Undeadfire]

While I agree DF is much harder to clear then a pre-made, just being able to go in and get a feel for some of the phases really helps and I don't mind wiping over and over if it gets me enough experience to move forward.

A3s/A4s is far more difficult than you can begin to fathom. DF's wouldn't even last 1-2 mins for those 2.

A3s requires coordination and a very good dps check to make. I can see holding well for 1st phase, but no way in hell for Phase 2/3, you stand no chance. Mainly statics look for people who are at the add phase or final phase, getting to that requires coordinated movement and a very good dps check.

A4s has an extreme DPS check that you must do or it wipes you in a mere instant. Merely controlling quarantines as the add inside gives blunt debuff stacks and hits like a tank on tanks if goes beyond 3. You have to defeat Phase 1/2 before getting a 4th quarantine or you're dead. Each leg clocks around 535k HP.

You won't really get much experience out of them unless you're super lucky. A3s only really starts at add phase, and A4s increases the dps check even higher on Phase 3/4.

[m3eansean]

Please let me practice the games hardest content with like minded individuals in DF. I do not want to start a learning party in PF. I want to learn in a DF environment.

According to the way the game was created, you are doing it wrong. In the JP culture and the development team's mindset, PF is for learning the instance. DF is business only clearing. They did not intend the DF to be a learning instance, but a clearing instance for serious gameplay and intended the PF to be the place to advertise what you want to learn etc.

If you truly want practice, bite the bullet and create a PF. It's very easy and you might be surprised with what you get.

[FallenArisen0990]

Idk, everything gets added to DF eventually. When something is fresh, the chances of getting a clear with randoms is little to none. Look at Steps of Faith when it came out. People struggled to get that cleared, and that wasn't even an EX Trial. As said before, everything gets added to Duty Finder eventually.

[Eight]

A3s/A4s is far more difficult than you can begin to fathom. DF's wouldn't even last 1-2 mins for those 2.

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I can understand AS3 and AS4 but I'm talking more about stuff like Thordan and any new primal that comes out I don't really see the problem.I've pretty much cleared every ex primal through DF and yes it took awhile and even some frustration but it was the only option and I got through it. Even Ravana I found that without experience the parties just weren't there and when it finally opened up in DF it felt that the content was already dead or at least every time I've queued up for it in DF it never goes it doesn't make sense to block people out of content it's kind of getting hard to justify paying for this game right now.

[UBERHAXED]

Idk, everything gets added to DF eventually. When something is fresh, the chances of getting a clear with randoms is little to none. Look at Steps of Faith when it came out. People struggled to get that cleared, and that wasn't even an EX Trial. As said before, everything gets added to Duty Finder eventually.

Just like the only other savage content (oh wait...). Added to the DF doesn't mean literally added to the DF (by that definition, ravana Ex was in DF at 3.0 launch), it means you can queue without 8/8. In fact, even today you can't queue for SCoB Savage.