Can we please stop locking content out of DF?

[Archaell]

Maybe if we get over the scepticism we could start thinking about how to implement it?

It doesn't have to be standard DF que. It could have different matching algorithm, starting with every job being allowed in the party only once, ensuring that there is awlays one brd/mch etc. To overcome the composition obstacle.

There could also be prequests for it. SE wants to add the training hall, then it could be requirement to pass certain trials there to unlock the option.

Steps to make it more viable for DF could be developed.

[Undeadfire]

Lol Why can't people just accept not everyone wants to be in a PF group and have to wait around and now are in a way 'obligated' to wait because you joined in the first place.

"I don't want to wait" is pure laziness. PF is intended to have people build learning parties, not DF. Real life? Please... My team mate has his own daughter, wife, etc, and he easily has time to raid for 3 hours, 4 days each.. Real life is just a poor excuse for not raiding unless it's your job that takes all the time to your life.

All I see is being lazy from this quote.

Edit:

Is that not exactly what happened with the group of raiders? I might have been dreaming and they didn't say that Midas would be significantly easier... Your argument falls flat as it applies to every raiding group that's not in the top 2%, this forum was filled with complaints about Savage, and it still has the occasional thread about it.

It was the difficulty for the issue, but after adding Void Ark it piped down. I don't disagree for A4s having such an extreme DPS. Alexander Gordias is a very unbalanced raid, but we still have to stick with the mechanics to what every other raid does.

I don't care for AS tbh, I just want Extreme Primals to be on the DF from the beginning. They are clearable on DF, period. You just need to get a decent group, just like with PF, and no, you can't just kick a poor performing player from PF and continue on. Another leaves and so follow the rest the majority of the time in my experience.

I agree, I don't really see the issue for EX primals, they've always been a little easy, but if the JP don't want it that way, it has to go that way. SE mainly listen to the JP community to how the game runs.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Might as well put all content in the game honestly in DF. The game is designed for it, leaving anything out is stupid.

"I don't want to wait" is pure laziness. PF is intended to have people build learning parties, not DF. Real life? Please... My team mate has his own daughter, wife, etc, and he easily has time to raid for 3 hours, 4 days each.. Real life is just a poor excuse for not raiding unless it's your job that takes all the time to your life.

All I see is being lazy from this quote.

Wrong, PF is meant for seriously doing it. DF is the "I don't care about anyone else" learning tool. Due to its anti social nature you probably will never run into them again, so who cares how they act?

[Morbid]

/le sigh

I agree with Archael let us get over 'difficulty' and into implementation since 'difficulty' would just be a thing for any party.

[Undeadfire]

Wrong, PF is meant for seriously doing it. DF is the "I don't care about anyone else" learning tool. Due to its anti social nature you probably will never run into them again, so who cares how they act?

Really? JP seem to have been far more successful compared to western side going with that system and SE agrees with it.

[hagare]

My team mate has his own daughter, wife, etc, and he easily has time to raid for 3 hours, 4 days each.. Real life is just a poor excuse for not raiding unless it's your job that takes all the time to your life.

Congratulations to your team mate.
Still irrelevant as other people have different circumstances.

Really? JP seem to have been far more successful compared to western side going with that system and SE agrees with it.

difference in community and way of thinking.

If everything is released in DF at the same time, I'm willing to bet the first DF clear will be in Japan data centers xD

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Really? JP seem to have been far more successful compared to western side going with that system and SE agrees with it.

Perhaps if I lived in Japan and wasn't American I would care a lot more about that statement. They have an entirely different culture then ours, so much different that I may go over and study it myself because it seems very interesting. However, that doesn't really matter because their culture is far more social then ours, so DF is an excellent tool for us.

If your going to being anything to a discussion, please remember that we are on Western Servers, in the West.

Americans will always pick the quickest and easiest way to do something. We are a culture of efficiency and laziness.

The only way to make the statement true here, would be to completely remove Duty Finder and FORCE everyone to use Party Finder.

[FeliAiko]

From a design (e.g. party comp) and community standpoint (overall willingness to take on challenging DF content) it's just not practical.

NM was a good opportunity to make something accessible yet still somewhat challenging as a way to draw people into raiding. With i190 rewards, something closer to Ravana in difficulty would make sense. However, history has shown SE enough times what would happen (Thornmarch, Steps, The Vault, etc.) so they knew to just make it faceroll easy instead to avoid the inevitable outcries for a nerf. With that kind of scenario to consider, the reasoning of "I don't want to use PF" is hardly going to persuade SE that Savage in DF is a good idea.

As for Extremes, I'd be indifferent to those being in DF straight away, considering they've done it before.

[MeiUshu]

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it is not that *we dont want to use PF* is that using PF is almost impossible for those fights, nobody joins and if they join, thye fail once and leave leaving you with again a search..if you are Lucky you can wait hours to get your PF filed...IF LUCKY....not to mention that nobody wants to do anything that is not with pros....that is why DF Is a solution for those that dont mind doing stuff over and over and over with perfect randoms. DF fills faster then a PF for those runs...

Dont compare JP and western servers...mentalities arent the same

[FeliAiko]

Yes, the mentalities aren't the same and its that difference which SE has to account for when trying to make content accessible to as many people as possible. A surefire way to do this is by making said content non-challenging, even more so when thats the feedback they get when they try to go outside of that. That's why the actual DF raid is easy as hell to do, because they were told by players they wanted a raid that would allow them to see the story.

In fact, I don't see why this thread is even a thing. SE's already given the message to this request: if players want raids in DF, NM (and VA) levels of difficulty are what they're gonna get. If you want more, then be prepared to put in work or wait for it to end up in DF, once its gained the traditional nerfs and crutches.