Can we please stop locking content out of DF?

[Undeadfire]

Doesn't matter if you're capable or not, it's fact, you won't stand a chance. The fights have to be majorly nerfed to even last more than a few mins.

[MeiUshu]

Doesn't matter if you're capable or not, it's fact, you won't stand a chance. The fights have to be majorly nerfed to even last more than a few mins.

who said in the first place that we dont know we dont stand a chance, albeit, people in DF know they dont stand a chance right away, but they will learn, like in everything, given the time, who are you to tell people they dont have the right to do something because they dont stand a chance ? that is a loser attitude...didnt know there was still people like that.

[m3eansean]

who said in the first place that we dont know we dont stand a chance, albeit, people in DF know they dont stand a chance right away, but they will learn, like in everything, given the time, who are you to tell people they dont have the right to do something because they dont stand a chance ? that is a loser attitude...didnt know there was still people like that.

What he is trying to convey is the sheer difficulty level of A3s and A4s is far beyond anything you have encountered thus far. From being in there myself, I can attest, the DF is not the place for this content right now, or even upon release. It takes WEEKS of commitment from the same 8 people to learn the phases and mechanics to begin to complete this content. It is not something which 90 minutes in a DF will be able to accomplish. Also VOIP is mandatory for these fights, no exceptions. This is why the devs are nerfing the next raid content, because it is literally too difficult in their opinion for the majority of the player base (clear percentages suggest this as well).

Lastly, when Levi was introduced, it was the first time a Primal was not added to the DF immediately, Devs were asked why and they stated that they want to provide the community an opportunity to learn and understand the encounter through the party finder function before allowing everyone to queue at will through the Duty Finder. These are deliberate actions taken by the Devs so I highly doubt they will add raid-tier content to DF upon release in the future as well.

[UBERHAXED]

What he is trying to convey is the sheer difficulty level of A3s and A4s is far beyond anything you have encountered thus far. From being in there myself, I can attest, the DF is not the place for this content right now, or even upon release. It takes WEEKS of commitment from the same 8 people to learn the phases and mechanics to begin to complete this content. It is not something which 90 minutes in a DF will be able to accomplish. Also VOIP is mandatory for these fights, no exceptions. This is why the devs are nerfing the next raid content, because it is literally too difficult in their opinion for the majority of the player base (clear percentages suggest this as well).

While I agree with most of this, required VOIP is completely wrong. In the JP servers (of which btw one of them has more AS4 clears than all of NA and EU combined) they don't use VOIP when pugging these fights. The strategies they use are just consistent so there's no need to do anything barring a couple of words before the fight in terms of communication.

[MeiUshu]

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it shouldnt matter if people succeed through DF or not, though, neither should it matter if and when some content was added or not. As far as know, Bahamut coil was added in DF and wasnt nerfed when it went there, I did go up to t7 or t8 ant remember THROUGH DF, see my point. It should simply be available to give ALL people the same opportunity to try and see ...like many said in here..DF gives the opportunity for those for wahtever reasons, cant go into a static or find people through PF to play, doesnt mean you MUST succeed, as stated we do know we cant succeed right away, but doesnt mean that in the long run a DFer WONT succeed, in teh long run, more and more people will be progressing throught DF (of those that use DF of course) and will get together eventually to pass it. It may take weeks, months, and more months, but at least we can try as opposed to today that we cannot and we are deliberatedly excluded from something when there is a possibility to allow ALL to try it.

[vp_cmc]

As far as know, Bahamut coil was added in DF and wasnt nerfed when it went there, I did go up to t7 or t8 ant remember THROUGH DF, see my point.

When it was just added, a lot of experienced people were there just for giggles, so you had a fair chance to have a good party there. After that is was nerfed to the ground.

Fcob is currently in DF too, but it is with echo, and it is a major difference. Try t13 without echo and without war, sch and mnk in group (for example, you have 2 pld, 2 whm, etc). You just won't survive gigaflare there because party doesn't have mitigations. 20% echo fixes this. Same will be with a3s - you won't survive cascades in some parties until they introduce echo (a4s - mortal revolution after 4-th leg).

[Morbid]

Just because you can't doesn't mean everyone else can't.

[Undeadfire]

Actually I am downing and working on A4s.

Who said I can't down A3s?

I'll give you proof if I have to, LOL!

It's fact, the fights are far too advanced for a DF group, got nothing to deny on it.

As stated before, A3s/A4s are on par with SCOB Savage Ilvl 110-5, you-will-not-stand-a-chance-in-df.

[Morbid]

Actually I am downing and working on A4s.

Who said I can't down A3s?

I'll give you proof if I have to, LOL!

It's fact, the fights are far too advanced for a DF group, got nothing to deny on it.

As stated before, A3s/A4s are on par with SCOB Savage Ilvl 110-5, you-will-not-stand-a-chance-in-df.

See you aren't even getting the purpose of this thread. I wasn't challenging if you have or haven't completed the content. I was challenging your notion that it is unable to be completed in a Duty Finder setting. You can't just state an absolute like that and not consider that some people are more accustomed to DF and understand the in's and out's a bit better than non DF people.

Many dedicated DF players are capable of picking up on mechanics quickly. It goes along with preferring DF in the first place..

All people want is the option.

[FeliAiko]

Many of the Turns in Coil underwent nerfs and adjustments before being put into Duty Finder. That's before you include the addition of Echo, and the fact a lot of players would've been overgeared by the time the content became DF available. That's a far different scenario than throwing a random composition of freshly undergeared, inexperienced players into content designed for teamwork and optimisation, among other things.