Can we please stop locking content out of DF?

[Tank_N_Shank]

I agree. It wouldn't be a realistic way to get clears by any means, but at least you could get some real experience and practice with the fight in before tackling the content in party finder or with a static. There are many players out there like myself who are much better learners by experiencing content rather than just watching videos.

Hell even when they end up adding in DF access months later the clear rates are still terrible and most runs end up just being practice, so there is no reason to not make this change IMO.

[Morbid]

I just prefer DF because it doesn't require me to meet or have others held to my "motivation" to get something done. If I log in and want to putz around doing stuff around the FC for 30 minutes and then later queue up for Thordan EX or Savage I wish the option was there. I don't always feel up to doing any certain thing in game so if the whim to complete these runs comes up I just want to queue not run around for 45 minutes asking stuck up folks if they want to clear some stuff I haven't.

I've completed 98% of my content through DF always have even in other MMO's. I understand what PUG partying entails. I'm confident and proficient in my own abilities to deal with a lackluster group. So give us like minded folks the option.

I don't care how "others" experiences have been nor do I really care about the incapabilities they have that make DF such a breaking point for them. To each their own the option should be just that an option. I get it if it's to gate content to prevent locust-ing of it within a week but the notion some people permeate that DF is completely undoable shouldn't hold us who know DF, utilize DF and are successful in completing content through DF without the option to try it out.

[Morbid]

Open party finder. Hit "Recruit Members". Make a group and label it 'learning party'. Wait for it to fill, queue up and go.

Man, that was difficult. Admittedly you may wait awhile on some servers, but if you wanna do it that badly it shouldn't be a problem for you.

And what's different than it just being in DF and doing all the listing and gathering and launching of content for you?

[Alahra]

This is needed more than ever for "Extreme" fights, not when they're dated and irrelevant content.

Yes, this has been a problem ever since Leviathan really. But it's less to do with the DF and more to do with the fact that they haven't made the primals truly relevant since then. For the sorts of players that will "farm" EX primals, they're only really good for gearing alt jobs now in most cases, as there's almost always a better weapon available for someone's main job. Thordan has been something of an exception, but its i205 status is abnormal (and likely meant as a way to address the "Savage problem").

If they're going to keep the fights largely irrelevant to progression, they probably do need to add them to the DF sooner, I agree.

[Colorful]

And what's different than it just being in DF and doing all the listing and gathering and launching of content for you?

All the players on DF are worse than PF players any and every way possible, that seems to be the mentality on here anyway.

I guess if you're on a raiding server that may be true, but on the servers I've been on it's entirely incorrect. In most cases it's because you use DF far more, and for far more "lenient" instances like dungeons, and thus the bad experiences stick out like a sore thumb. I can tell you I've met my fair share of awful players on PF, I've had a Ninja that was doing 300 FPS in i170 gear even, I've had many, and I do mean many players who can't grasp the weather mechanics of Bismarck no matter how you explain it.

[Morbid]

Snippet

It seems that many of the "oh noes it can't be done" folks forget that DF is slightly a gamble whenever and for whatever you run it for. Some players like myself like this about it; I believe it goes a good deal of the way in keeping content more fresh. Since every run won't be the same likely and you can go from having a top notch PUG to one that struggles a bit.

The thing is for the Q'er.. we likely already know this and accept bad runs WILL happen. I rather have a bad run with folks I had held to no expectations over a group of "elites" who make every run some scripted no fun zone and then still end up failing.. I like being powerful but I won't let min/maxing ruin my simple enjoyment of just playing. Shit if you just have to try that hard I'd say EVE Online is the place for you.. cause FFXIV is like singled layered poundcake in comparison as far as difficulty to really "endgame".

[melisande]

Please let me practice the games hardest content with like minded individuals in DF. I do not want to start a learning party in PF. I want to learn in a DF environment.

[Callback]

Possibly.
Have you even gone and looked at videos for any of the endgame content for this game? It takes weeks of effort to clear some of the raids, and you casually trivialize that without even having set foot in any of it. I mean, you're doing stuff like Alex Normal and Void Ark that's meant to be faceroll easy. My static's working on A3S now and even though we more than meet the gear requirement now, it's still hard.

I've looked at a few, I don't see anything in them that seems too special from the outside.

Also I'm not "doing" Alex and Void Ark, I did them, got bored, and now I'm done with them. I just want to move on to the next step up whatever it is. The problem being that according to people here, that step doesn't actually follow in order as you would expect, but rather has a 100 hour buffer of the easiest most boring stuff in the game before I have the gear and cross-class skills to meet the arbitrary requirements.

The fight being in DF doesn't lower the DPS requirement.

DPS checks shouldn't exist anyway. They just measure gear with no regard for skill. I have yet to see a thing in this game where skill was a factor, that's why I'm so against this combat system. It feels like I'm playing a clicker game, just watching the numbers get bigger as nothing really changes.

Upgraded Eso gear has more primary stats than Void Ark gear, meaning you do more damage just by wearing it. Optimizing your secondary stats can also do a fair bit for your damage output. Item level is far from being the end-all measure of DPS capacity.

Then why does it take so long to earn (both rate and cap) in only the most boring of ways? And to compound the boredom they limit the roulette for it to only 2 choices of dungeons. This feels like the kind of thing that should be giving like 100 base with a 200 first-timer bonus, uncapped, for running ravana or bismarck EX (Are those DF or not? I heard mixed things about it)

So you're a DPS that's purposely gimping your damage by 10% every 80 seconds. Okay.

Not purposely, that would be having the skill and refusing to use it. I just don't have it.

I wouldn't want to take a Ninja without B4B either. Cross-class skills are an important part of optimization. If you don't feel they're worth the time, you're going to have a hard time finding people that feel it's worth their time to take you into endgame.

It's not that I haven't started on it. Why does it take so long to unlock? Why are secondary classes such a grind? Obviously if I've gotten this far on my main he content my LNC is being forced to do is boring and easy as hell. He's 29/34 and it's the dullest thing to do. I've resorted to just accepting leves and letting someone else actually run them while I play Mario Maker, but those allowances run dry fairly quickly. Is there something faster?

[MeiUshu]

secondary classes a grind? up to 50 you can reach it in no time and I mean it no time (like 1 or 2 day?) from 50 to 60 is relatively fast too just slightly more demanding is all (provided you have already a class maximized)

to be fair though, nobody forces you to level fully a second or third or forth class, you choose to do it...blaming others for your choice is kind of weird. Overall if you dont like the game, then stop it, nobody is behind YOUR keyboard. Complaining is too boring is a personal vision and when personal you take the steps to not make it anymore boring and find back your enjoyment. The rest of us is not really concerned by the way you feel.

For DF though, those that would like to see stuff in DF are forced into a choice that they would rather not make, ESPECIALLY that the way to give a choice exists. Nobody is asking for easy mode, all people are asking is to have the possibility to use DF to enter higher content, for whatever reasons, mostly due to not finding people to play with or not making it into a static, not sure how polemical this is...and why people make it so that what is in DF is automatically easy and nerfed. NOBODY is asking for that to happen. Actually the content was asked to be nerfed as in Thor Ex when NOT in DF, again you sure the DFers are the real problem ?

[FeliAiko]

And what's different than it just being in DF and doing all the listing and gathering and launching of content for you?

Because DF takes nothing into account as far as party composition and experience, which is an important factor in progression raiding. On top of that, if you happen to get a party where you somehow make some progress you'll never get to see those players again to build on that progress/teamwork once the Duty ends, leading you back to square one.