The arrogance of some people

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Im also curious how many defending healers not DPSing are the ones that stand around

While I detest dpsing as a healer, I do it because it's considered mandatory. The lack of heal checks in most content, and Scholar's laughably overpowered pet mean that my choices are to micro manage my pet while healing, or micromanaging my pet while I DPS, with vines on YouTube for amusement.

Finishing dungeons quicker is efficient.

It's also not particularly fun to sit afk in cleric stance doing the same thing I did at 50 at 60 while dpsing, but some people enjoy it.

[Andrea]

While I detest dpsing as a healer, I do it because it's considered mandatory. The lack of heal checks in most content, and Scholar's laughably overpowered pet mean that my choices are to micro manage my pet while healing, or micromanaging my pet while I DPS, with vines on YouTube for amusement.

Finishing dungeons quicker is efficient.

It's also not particularly fun to sit afk in cleric stance doing the same thing I did at 50 at 60 while dpsing, but some people enjoy it.

I'll agree that if dps as a healer wasn't mandatory i wouldnt mind. If they increased the amount of healing i had to do I would gladly be ok with that.

[Silica-chan]

The game clearly rewards speed.

It does? I'd like to hear more.

[Andrea]

It does? I'd like to hear more.

The quicker I finish the dungeon the quicker I can move onto the next instance. It doesnt need to be an item for it to be a reward. Saving time is also a reward.

For example. 1 person finishes their dungeon in 20 mins, another in 40 mins. ( again example not actual times dungeons take.)
Player 1 has a 20 minute time period in which to do things while player 2 has to spend an extra 20 mins of time to catch up, and even when he does catch up he's got another 20 min worth of stuff player 1 has already gone on and did.

The quicker one finishes a dungeon also means the quicker they cap whatever, the quicker they get relic items I guess since thats popular at the moment. Again, just examples.

[Niwashi]

The quicker I finish the dungeon the quicker I can move onto the next instance. It doesnt need to be an item for it to be a reward. Saving time is also a reward.

For example. 1 person finishes their dungeon in 20 mins, another in 40 mins. ( again example not actual times dungeons take.)
Player 1 has a 20 minute time period in which to do things while player 2 has to spend an extra 20 mins of time to catch up, and even when he does catch up he's got another 20 min worth of stuff player 1 has already gone on and did.

The quicker one finishes a dungeon also means the quicker they cap whatever, the quicker they get relic items I guess since thats popular at the moment. Again, just examples.

All this says is that going faster is faster.

[Tilgung]

If you log in for 2 hours, and you complete 5 dungeons - you get 5 dungeons worth of rewards.
If you log in for 3 hours, and you complete 5 dungeons - you get 5 dungeons worth of rewards.

I see an hour I could've used for other things instead of drawing out dungeons. Like gathering, clearing/helping clear other content, redoing my glamour for the 2757287138971 time, etc.

[Colorful]

All this says is that going faster is faster.

That wiki link is not relevant to the question, finishing content faster does reward you. Say you're farming Alexander 1 for the Anima, you need to do it 200 times, do it once every 5 minutes and you'll get that done very quickly which is the reward, do it at 10 minutes each and it's going to take double the time to complete. Is reaching your goal faster and spending less time not a reward?

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

That wiki link is not relevant to the question, finishing content faster does reward you. Say you're farming Alexander 1 for the Anima, you need to do it 200 times, do it once every 5 minutes and you'll get that done very quickly which is the reward, do it at 10 minutes each and it's going to take double the time to complete. Is reaching your goal faster and spending less time not a reward?

Depends. Do you prefer the journey or the destination? I prefer the journey so I'm fine with taking things slow.

[Dyvid]

I would like to add to this whole thing that I would love FFXIV's devs to see this thread and realize that the DPS meta they have created is really creating a toxic atmosphere.

The odd thing is that nothing is actually designed so that Healers are actually have to dps to beat the content, save maybe savage but that's it. Obviously we are talking about speed runs and the key problem is SE is so scared to make dungeons hard that community decided to challenge itself. Let that design philosophy seat and fester for a year or so, now we have mandatory pulls of multiple packs and heavy AoE requirements. Healers fall into the latter since they're AoE attacks are so good that it makes dps jealous. The only way to move past this mantra is for SE to make dungeons that require you to be geared and continue to increase the difficulty of those roulette dungeons to accompany those ilvl hikes.

I will say this though, if you don't enjoy dps'ing as a healer consider rolling AST so you can buff the party and help move things along.

[Niwashi]

That wiki link is not relevant to the question, finishing content faster does reward you. Say you're farming Alexander 1 for the Anima, you need to do it 200 times, do it once every 5 minutes and you'll get that done very quickly which is the reward, do it at 10 minutes each and it's going to take double the time to complete. Is reaching your goal faster and spending less time not a reward?

The link is completely relevant because that's what circular reasoning is. It's taking the point you're trying to prove, and using it as an initial premise. You're explaining how going faster is letting you reach your reward faster. You can come up with all kinds of examples of how going faster is faster, but that doesn't link it to being rewarding except by your having simply assumed that faster is rewarding. Since that was the point you (and Andrea, and several other people at various points earlier in the thread) were trying to prove, assuming it like that destroys the argument due to the circular reasoning it creates.

If someone can come up with an argument that doesn't simply amount to "going faster is faster" or "going faster gets it done in less time" or "going faster means you don't have to spend as much time on it" or any other variations that are all exact equivalents of "going faster is faster", then maybe they'll have a point worth considering.

a: "Going faster is rewarding."
b: "why is it rewarding?"
a: "because it's faster."

The logic loophole there is so glaringly obvious I find it hard to understand how so many people could fail to see it.