The arrogance of some people

[Colorful]

All this says is that going faster is faster.

That wiki link is not relevant to the question, finishing content faster does reward you. Say you're farming Alexander 1 for the Anima, you need to do it 200 times, do it once every 5 minutes and you'll get that done very quickly which is the reward, do it at 10 minutes each and it's going to take double the time to complete. Is reaching your goal faster and spending less time not a reward?

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

That wiki link is not relevant to the question, finishing content faster does reward you. Say you're farming Alexander 1 for the Anima, you need to do it 200 times, do it once every 5 minutes and you'll get that done very quickly which is the reward, do it at 10 minutes each and it's going to take double the time to complete. Is reaching your goal faster and spending less time not a reward?

Depends. Do you prefer the journey or the destination? I prefer the journey so I'm fine with taking things slow.

[Kosmos992k]

Depends. Do you prefer the journey or the destination? I prefer the journey so I'm fine with taking things slow.

See my signature.... it's all about the journey, not the destination...

[Niwashi]

That wiki link is not relevant to the question, finishing content faster does reward you. Say you're farming Alexander 1 for the Anima, you need to do it 200 times, do it once every 5 minutes and you'll get that done very quickly which is the reward, do it at 10 minutes each and it's going to take double the time to complete. Is reaching your goal faster and spending less time not a reward?

The link is completely relevant because that's what circular reasoning is. It's taking the point you're trying to prove, and using it as an initial premise. You're explaining how going faster is letting you reach your reward faster. You can come up with all kinds of examples of how going faster is faster, but that doesn't link it to being rewarding except by your having simply assumed that faster is rewarding. Since that was the point you (and Andrea, and several other people at various points earlier in the thread) were trying to prove, assuming it like that destroys the argument due to the circular reasoning it creates.

If someone can come up with an argument that doesn't simply amount to "going faster is faster" or "going faster gets it done in less time" or "going faster means you don't have to spend as much time on it" or any other variations that are all exact equivalents of "going faster is faster", then maybe they'll have a point worth considering.

a: "Going faster is rewarding."
b: "why is it rewarding?"
a: "because it's faster."

The logic loophole there is so glaringly obvious I find it hard to understand how so many people could fail to see it.

[Ykronix]

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Its also a matter of perspective between what the player base perceives and the devs intend, and I don't believe going 200 times through the same content over and over again for one specific purpose was the idea behind it. There's however so many years of content in the game that people can utilize, but instead people would choose the road that offers the least amount of time possible in the game with the least amount of entertainment available because they chose to see it more as a challenge than an opportunity to explore or connect with other players who are just making their rounds though it. For some people, getting their BiS gear in the fastest time possible is considered more rewarding than actually connecting with the community or exploring other aspects of the game.

Not that there's a right or wrong way to take it- to each his own. I just think its a surefire way to make you get bored of the game a lot faster.

[Colorful]

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It's rewarding because I don't have to sit in a god awful dungeon that makes me want to tear my own eyes out from sheer boredom, how's that? I don't understand why you're on this tangent, or what you're trying to prove either.

But let's say I have 2 hours to play everyday, in that time with a bad group I can clear 4 dungeons at 30 minutes each. That's 4 dungeons worth of rewards, now, let's speed that up. If we can manage to get that down to 15 minutes a run, we'd have cleared not 4, but 8 dungeons. Now, how much dungeons worth of rewards is that? Bingo, 8 dungeons worth, in the same amount of time. Which is more rewarding?

[Tint]

But let's say I have 2 hours to play everyday, in that time with a bad group I can clear 4 dungeons at 30 minutes each. That's 4 dungeons worth of rewards, now, let's speed that up. If we can manage to get that down to 15 minutes a run, we'd have cleared not 4, but 8 dungeons. Now, how much dungeons worth of rewards is that? Bingo, 8 dungeons worth, in the same amount of time. Which is more rewarding?

i have 12 hours to play everyday. for me it is much more rewarding to do it the slow way, because if i give 110% in every dungeon i will burn out fast and in the end doing less dungeons in the same time. for me this game is a marathon, not a sprint. i can give my maximum if i play just 2 hours a day, or in raids and stuff. but grinding dungeons over and over again? sounds more like work than playing.

[Colorful]

i have 12 hours to play everyday. for me it is much more rewarding to do it the slow way, because if i give 110% in every dungeon i will burn out fast and in the end doing less dungeons in the same time. for me this game is a marathon, not a sprint. i can give my maximum if i play just 2 hours a day, or in raids and stuff. but grinding dungeons over and over again? sounds more like work than playing.

If you do anything for 12 hours a day, even literally pressing 1 button and watching Netflix on the side it would get mind numbing. Many people are in the situation where they have 1, 2, 3 or even 4 hours to play at most, and as such getting things done efficiently may be preferable. That's not my point, it's more rewarding to get 8 dungeons in 2 hours, than it is to go 4, period. Rewarding for your feelings or whatever? Maybe not, rewarding in actual rewards obtained in-game? Yes, there's no arguing against that.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

If you do anything for 12 hours a day, even literally pressing 1 button and watching Netflix on the side it would get mind numbing. Many people are in the situation where they have 1, 2, 3 or even 4 hours to play at most, and as such getting things done efficiently may be preferable. That's not my point, it's more rewarding to get 8 dungeons in 2 hours, than it is to go 4, period. Rewarding for your feelings or whatever? Maybe not, rewarding in actual rewards obtained in-game? Yes, there's no arguing against that.

At this point, you're trying to argue monetary rewards are more valuable then fun or pleasure. I'm just chuckling over here now.

[Colorful]

At this point, you're trying to argue monetary rewards are more valuable then fun or pleasure. I'm just chuckling over here now.

From my point of view, being lazy is unfun, unrewarding, and all around makes my playing experience worse. I was simply "adapting" the post to Tint's point of view, where a more "chill" playstyle is more to their liking. The original point was that the game rewards speed, and it does. Is doubling your "reward" not an increased reward? Let's even factor in personal enjoyment as a reward into this, you want to complete your daily roulette if you're like me, you dislike doing that greatly and every minute spent in that dungeon feels like hell. 15 minutes of hell is preferable to 30 minutes of hell, there you go, personal reward is now factored in. Some people also see doing their best as a reward, and they may like to best their previous best, I doubt anyone out there prides themself, or feels a sense of being rewarded from being mediocre.

But I do have a feeling you're trying to be funny with your gifs, so I don't know why I'm bothering.

for 2 hours probably. but 4? i know noboby who does 16 dungeons in 4 hours. or in my 12 hours scnario 48 dungeons? i don't think so. probably the world first savage people. but all in all not very realistic. and i have my rewards. was one of the first on my server with an animus, novus, nexus, zodiak an zeta weapon (but i am not working on my anima right now xD). i also have finished heavy grinds like getting fenrir, R300 racing boko, rank 20 battle chocobo, completet the fishing log... i can get these rewards not because i am lazy (if i was lazy i would not get them at all), i got them because i am working on it. slow, but steady.

If I'm going to be honest, you weren't working on them very slowly if you were server first, but I have no idea the size of your server either, or we just may have different ways to define slow.