The arrogance of some people

[Whiteroom]

But my argument it is not mandatory for a healer to dps, it is OPTIONAL, so they can chose.. so people should not be demanding, by clicking their fingers and yelling at healers, instead they should be asking nicely.

Has anybody argued that it is optional? There are lots of optional things in this game. Some might say that it is not an option if you run with them, but even then it is still an option, it just has consequences.

I never have seen anyone demanding or kicking healers for not DPSing. This is a fantasy that pure healers created in their heads.

I almost did, one time in thousands of runs. It was one of those low level dungeons where a SCHs fairy can literally heal the whole thing. He was running in circles bragging about how he was doing nothing, and I was in a bad mood. And even then it was an "almost" thing that had more to do with the attitude than the action.

[Lexia]

"omg you not playing the way I think you should be playing so you suck!" is all this thread has turned into.

[Andrea]

"omg you not playing the way I think you should be playing so you suck!" is all this thread has turned into.

The way the game is set out at the moment there is only one way to play each class to the best of its abilities. Thats just the game we play.

[Kaurie]

"omg you not playing the way I think you should be playing so you suck!" is all this thread has turned into.

While I don't really disagree, as I think that everyone thinks other people should be playing well. I highly doubt anyone sits there and thinks that the other jobs should play as poorly as possible. So, obviously, yes, when people play differently than you think they should, that you think they aren't playing well.

Did your post really add to this discussion though?

[Whiteroom]

While I don't really disagree, as I think that everyone thinks other people should be playing well. I highly doubt anyone sits there and thinks that the other jobs should play as poorly as possible. So, obviously, yes, when people play differently than you think they should, that you think they aren't playing well.

Did your post really add to this discussion though?

No, but overly simplifying it allows her to write it off as another elitest thread.

Even though the base concept is fairly simple, "If you are doing the bare minimum to pass, you are taking the path that requires the least effort to get by (aka: the lazy way). And when you do this in a team scenario, sometimes people will comment on it."

It's a bit of a misconception, as what actually started to happen during Final Coil (not after) was that, as players got more comfortable with the game, it became much more apparent that there was a lot of opportunity to push DPS, from both tanks and healers. The most-skilled players had always been doing this, but it was during FCOB that it started gaining more widespread acceptance in the general community, exposing other groups of players to the idea that probably hadn't considered it much in the past.

It also probably helped that FCOB was somewhat more forgiving than SCOB. Then, moving into HW, where tank incoming damage at 60 didn't scale as much as outoing DPS did, and we got a new tank that had traditionally been a DPS and a bunch of new, DPS-centric abilities for an established tanking class, the current DPS meta really took off. WHMs, too, got a lot of DPS tools from 50-60.

Oh I don't disagree that it has become more prominant in HW, with the tool kits making it more effective. But like you say it was always there. And most of the conversation isn't even to do with raids, where there is less time and more skill required to dps, seems most are discussing dungeons where there has almost always been plenty of windows to dps.

[Totobi]

"omg you not playing the way I think you should be playing so you suck!" is all this thread has turned into.

There's really only two ways to play this game lol. Sadly too many people (especially healers) decide to pick the lazy way.

[ScarletDawn]

There's really only two ways to play this game lol. Sadly too many people (especially healers) decide to pick the lazy way.

And your the kind of arrogant person who we talk about in this thread, well done for fulfilling the thread title. Because a healer is lazy if they do not do as you demand...and you deem all healers lazy because they do a bit of dps or they dont always spam dps skills when they could do.

Isnt it better if a healer, heals and does a bit of dps then just sits and does nothing? Like a Sch can in low level duties...now that is lazy healing letting the fairy do it all while you afk.

[Miste]

There's really only two ways to play this game lol. Sadly too many people (especially healers) decide to pick the lazy way.

You can try to single out healers as lazy all you want, but 2 out of 3 dungeons I do I come across at least one DPS job doing only 50% or less of the DPS they could be doing with their gear etc. (My friend reported to me a BRD in our dungeon doing 250 DPS at 60 in full i180 one time.)

Also have had tanks many times where I never saw a single cooldown for the whole dungeon.

I spend a lot of time in cleric stance so these runs end up not being too slow (holy spam is very broken), but I don't know why people always come to the forum and single out healers as the ultimate problem and people are never lazy on other jobs too.

It seems to me this whole argument is pointless, since you can come across "lazy" players on pretty much any job available in the game. So the argument here shouldn't be about healers being lazy it should be that the community as a whole needs to start trying to better themselves...and also remember this is just a video game and not to get so worked up over such things that you start calling people with differing opinions stupid or start being a troll.

[Andrea]

You can try to single out healers as lazy all you want, but 2 out of 3 dungeons I do I come across at least one DPS job doing only 50% or less of the DPS they could be doing with their gear etc.

The OP started it about healers however. Boh your examples are also lazy players.

Also no one singles out healers, did you not see the whole parser threads about lazy dps?

And yes, the community as a whole can improve and yes every class has lazy players

[Lexia]

I spend a lot of time in cleric stance so these runs end up not being too slow (holy spam is very broken),

Holy not broken, broken means SE messed something up and never fixed it. They nerfed Holy on purpose.