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  1. #481
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    Thunda_Cat_SMASH's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurie View Post
    Interesting, I have the opposite opinion. It is what makes healing so fun in this game. Each run is much more dynamic than a DPS. When I go on a first pull as my SMN, I do the exact same rotation each time. With a healer, it's more like a few rotations mixed in with priorities. Like, if my tank is dying faster than normal, I can't spam as many holies, or if it's barely taking any damage, I can DPS way more etc. I find the weaving of a DPS rotation in with healing with different tanks/DPS makes for each run to be different than the last.
    Different strokes for different folks. I'm much more likely to be watching YouTube on the side during runs when I can dps full time due to how boring it gets. "Tap fairy spam macro, Bio 2, Miasma, Bio, 6 Broil, refresh DoTs, Shadowflare and fairy spam and Broil ad infinitum". I don't get how people can find that fun personally but...
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  2. #482
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odett View Post
    You have tons of cooldowns and each one can be used depending on what you're fighting and your current situation, but you never NOT use one if you are being hit by anything. If you die, and you had no defensive cooldowns up, then yes, it's more than likely your fault. If you overpull, and incorrectly gauge your cooldown usage, then that too, is more than likely your fault as well; that's part of our responsibility as tanks.
    It's too broad of a stroke for tanking. The cooldowns should ideally be used based on the circumstances. There's absolutely no reason to use cooldowns if you're doing small pulls (and I typically do this if this if the DPS is less than subpar AND the healer isn't dpsing, at that point more often than not they are overhealing me), even when you forego your tanking stance. A perspective or playstyle should never be absolute and there's always room for variance depending on what's going on.
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  3. #483
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    Odett Telos
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiceisNice View Post
    It's too broad of a stroke for tanking. The cooldowns should ideally be used based on the circumstances. There's absolutely no reason to use cooldowns if you're doing small pulls (and I typically do this if this if the DPS is less than subpar AND the healer isn't dpsing, at that point more often than not they are overhealing me), even when you forego your tanking stance.
    If a cooldown will be up for the next pull and you refuse to use it for your current pull, then you're essentially wasting it.

    Furthermore, you have such a large and varied number of defensive cooldowns at your disposal that that is where your point about variance falls in and that's where I agree with you. Your cooldown usage will depend on the situation, but just not using cooldowns, especially one that will be up against for the next pull and giving your healer unnecessary trouble is something I cannot stand behind.
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    Last edited by Odett; 01-06-2016 at 05:14 AM.

  4. #484
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    Riki_Namu's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odett View Post
    If a cooldown will be up for the next pull and you refuse to use it for your current pull, then you're essentially wasting it.
    This 100x. I generally rotate through my D cooldowns every pull so that one is always off cooldown and ready. Its a waste otherwise. You are a tank.... use those CD's. Unless its right before a boss then I normally save as many as I can. The longer ones anyways.
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  5. #485
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odett View Post
    If a cooldown will be up for the next pull and you refuse to use it for your current pull, then you're essentially wasting it.
    I can't "waste" it if the healer is already overhealing me with cure Is the moment I take 600 from an auto attack. And just to throw it out, I use vengence and raw intuiton as a dps cooldown for my triple decimates ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, so I'm not really holding onto them, but I wouldn't consider them tanking cooldowns either.
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  6. #486
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    Lauralanthlas Kyiardi
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    Random thoughts:

    I don't tank. I have a Savage-ready WHM, and my main is a BRD.

    I wish more tanks would sync with their healers. Especially in PUG runs.

    A healer's main priority is to heal. Period. Once that task is handled, DPS becomes an option.

    I personally won't try to crank out DPS on my WHM if I'm in a PUG that I'm not familiar with. I will hold back and watch the tank and DPS, see how they play and what level of healing I need to provide on average, and then weigh that against the option of doing DPS (mostly Stone/Aero cast-throughs here and there). Given that a WHM not in DPS stance puts out junk DPS, I don't see why that's ever a factor in any group other than endgame progression raiding where every last drop of damage counts.
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  7. #487
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atoli View Post
    It's exactly BECAUSE I want to enjoy my role that I dps as a healer.
    Exactly! Personally, it's not only about time efficiency, to me this is just a plus. What I love is when players are trying their best and willing to take some risks. I fall in love instantly when a tank asks "Hey healer, I will pull this entire section, ok?". I love to go blazing through content, its so much more fun. a wipe happened? Who cares, at least we tried and may have improved a bit as players.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    Different strokes for different folks. I'm much more likely to be watching YouTube on the side during runs when I can dps full time due to how boring it gets. "Tap fairy spam macro, Bio 2, Miasma, Bio, 6 Broil, refresh DoTs, Shadowflare and fairy spam and Broil ad infinitum". I don't get how people can find that fun personally but...
    You must be trolling. God.
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    Last edited by Eothas; 01-06-2016 at 05:20 AM.

  8. #488
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiceisNice View Post
    I can't "waste" it if the healer is already overhealing me with cure Is the moment I take 600 from an auto attack. And just to throw it out, I use vengence and raw intuiton as a dps cooldown for my triple decimates ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, so I'm not really holding onto them, but I wouldn't consider them tanking cooldowns either.
    I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what to tell you if you don't consider possibly one of the strongest defensive cooldowns in the game a tanking cooldown.
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  9. #489
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odett View Post
    I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what to tell you if you don't consider possibly one of the strongest defensive cooldowns in the game a tanking cooldown.
    Again, it depends on the circumstances. The 20% mitigaiton isn't going to be put to good use by the healer if they're going to cure me the moment my hp drops by 5%; they're already overhealing the hell out of me so I might as well work around that and get off an extra decimate during my berserk. Don't take what I said out of context; I'm not going to use vengence for dpsing if I know I have an upcoming tank buster or drainage tether, and I'm certainly not going to go out of my way to use it for dps on a lvl 60 dungeon boss if the healer can't keep up.
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  10. #490
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eothas View Post
    You must be trolling. God.
    Not the first to say that. I don't find DPS as a healer fun. I've fallen asleep during runs when all I do is DPS. The only reason I bother running on my healer anyway is when I'm bored with my main class and delude myself intothinking iit's a change of pace.
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