The arrogance of some people

[AsahinaMyLove]

Healers are expected to toss some dots, sure if your slammed and have to heal back to back to keep the tank or dps up I understand, but I main AST and find time to still throw some dots up and cast my attack spells. Don't be lazy.

Healers are NOT expected to toss some dots! YOU are expecting it!

[Dorander]

Healers are NOT expected to toss some dots! YOU are expecting it!

And you expect tanks/dps to move out of the red. Though, we really don't have to if you only want to heal.

[Belhi]

Sounds like a good trade to me. I'd rather loose a crappy healer and wait for a replacement than deal with their laziness. Fair turn is fair.

I don't know about your experiences but mine have been usually 15 to 20 min wait times for replacement healers. A lot don't bother with ticking that 'Join Party In Progress' button.
That's a lot of standing around doing nothing waiting for a healer that might dps.

Fair doesn't really come into it. Healers are a rarer commodity with shorter queue times. You'd be inconveniencing yourself a lot to inconvenience a healer a little.

[Chiramu]

I don't know about your experiences but mine have been usually 15 to 20 min wait times for replacement healers. A lot don't bother with ticking that 'Join Party In Progress' button.
That's a lot of standing around doing nothing waiting for a healer that might dps.

Fair doesn't really come into it. Healers are a rarer commodity with shorter queue times. You'd be inconveniencing yourself a lot to inconvenience a healer a little.

Tanks are a lot harder to replace than a healer, you also can ask your FC if anyone can queue for "join in progress".

[Lemuria]

You know what valiid point!
But when is the last time you really had to cast mage ballad besides 8man raids or trials?
NEVER!

Seriously, what's with all the straw-man arguments? I honestly can't tell if you're being serious in half your posts, or just purposely inciting an argument for your own personal amusement. You must have figured out the argument by now? If not, let me break it down in simple terms.

If you just heal in a party, and find yourself with plenty of breathing space, you're not a 'good' healer. You're an average healer. A good healer is one who goes above and beyond the norm, and that means adding your own flair to the fight, whether that's supporting in some way, or DPSing. It doesn't matter if you're a Scholar, a White Mage or an Astrologian, if you're just a healer, you're not playing to your full potential.

Your argument about whether or not it's needed in a 4-man group is meaningless. The fact is, a 4-man group is going to be a lot more casual and easier content, so you're going to have more opportunities to DPS. An 8-man group may actually rely on that DPS some day, but if you can't even manage it in a 4-man, how will you manage when the healing responsibilities double?

This argument has been done to death, and you're throwing paper-thin arguments around like confetti. If you can't do it well, then just say so and be honest. If you can, then you should. There's no defense for being lazy.

[Youkulm]

OP, I Only DPS on healer once i'm comfortable with it ( check ), comfortable with the fight i'm in ( check ), and the group i'm running with ( questionable 50% of the time ).

Half of the pug DPS and tanks I run into on heals are mouth breathing idiots. They stand in telegraphs, they pull more than they can handle, they can't hold hate, and they can't play their own classes properly ( paper tanks make DPSing on heals a little more tricky as well... so also take into account if players are new and your stance dancing might be impossible if they are learning and things are messy )... Usually you can tell after 1-2 pulls if you're going to be able to get off some healer DPS in pugs.

By no means are you required to DPS and anyone that tells you so isn't worth listening to. This is casual content you're talking about I assume? So... Yes DPSing will help things go by faster but you'll also run into groups of people who FREAK out when you DPS.. so in all honesty you have to take EVERYTHING everyone says on here with a grain of salt. I get more comms when i'm lazy and over heal in casual content than I do if I work my butt off stance dancing.

At the end of the day if the party is alive, and you didn't wipe the group, you did your job ( as did the tank usually haha )...

Also in my experience loud angry players who hate on pugs in dungeons openly tend not to be very good players. They play their classes with just as much mediocrity as a non-DPSing healer and shouldn't throw stones in glass houses. Most people are not going to care if you don't want to DPS. Think about all the duties you've run, just healing, and how many times has this come up? I'm sure not much. I only DPS half the time when I run things on heals and I've never had this happen.

[Dorander]

I don't know about your experiences but mine have been usually 15 to 20 min wait times for replacement healers. A lot don't bother with ticking that 'Join Party In Progress' button.
That's a lot of standing around doing nothing waiting for a healer that might dps.

Fair doesn't really come into it. Healers are a rarer commodity with shorter queue times. You'd be inconveniencing yourself a lot to inconvenience a healer a little.

For me, Replacement healers are there within 5 minutes or so. If they leave on their own, they are stuck with a 30 minute penalty. Don't know about you, but that's not a little inconvenience. Maybe if that keeps happening they'll learn to actually play their job to it's full extent or get so frustrated and quit. Either way, hard lesson learned for them.

[Astral145]

I'm only saying this because it is fact. Roughly 95% of ALL content in this game does not require a healer to do any dps. There are only a few times a healer MAY need to throw down is when the tank went stupid and pulled every single add from the start of the dungeon to the first boss and requires HOLY to help with the tank's HP pool from draining to fast.... other times are crazy DPS checks and solo content.

A healer does not need to dps at all in 99.999999999% of all dungeons (4 person groups) in the game. If the dps is slacking and causing the group to take longer do not blame the healer or the tank, look at the dps. The devs create the dungeons around the trinity which are 1 tank, 1 healer, and 2 dps in other words all that is needed for damage output is from 2 dps.

Do I get mad when I don't see a healer or tank throwing some deeps short answer is NO. WHY? Because its optional for those 2 jobs. As for me I throw some DoTs as a healer and put as much dps down as I can as a tank (like popping dps buffs..ect) w/out dropping GRIT, Shield Oath and DEFIANCE unless there are mechanics that allow me to drop them for a SHORT time.

Personally I find it hilarious that people get mad at healers and tanks for not pulling higher dps. Seriously the ones that complain are either trying to find something to complain about because they had a bad day or they simply suck at dps so they point fingers to shift the blame.

GIT GOOD or DROP OUT... that's right I'm pointing my fingers at the "poor what was me" cry babies and lazy DPS out there.

[Youkulm]

If the healer only wants to heal, then that's what they'll get. The dps should stand in the red telegraphs. If they don't want to help make the dps jobs easier, we shouldn't do the same for them.

Wouldn't a better strategy be to ask them if they're comfortable DPSing and if not.. just dropping it? I get kicking if they get hostile about it but.. seriously?

No one is going to learn to play their class better without suggestions from other players ( be it through guides, duties, or mentorships from friends in game ). No one is going to be able to read your mind. When you stand in that telegraph im sure the healer just thinks you're bad :/ not the other way around.

[Dorander]

Wouldn't a better strategy be to ask them if they're comfortable DPSing and if not.. just dropping it? I get kicking if they get hostile about it but.. seriously?

No one is going to learn to play their class better without suggestions from other players ( be it through guides, duties, or mentorships from friends in game ). No one is going to be able to read your mind. When you stand in that telegraph im sure the healer just thinks you're bad :/ not the other way around.

There are plenty of guides out there for them to take it upon themselves to learn about their job. You really shouldn't expect someone else to spoon feed you.